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 Londoner2015 Spanner Monkey
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 Posted: 09:53 - 17 Oct 2016 Post subject: Recommend a bike for city commuting: NC750x or else? |
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I currently have a BMW F800R which I - unfortunately - use mainly for commuting in city traffic. Wanted to hear your thoughts on what a better commuter would be. My wishlist, with a budget of approx £6 to £ 10k if the bike is really worth it:
- Good for filtering: not too wide, mirrors shouldn't bang too much against those of cars, and a steering angle that should let me change lanes easily when cars are stopped at traffic lights. The width of the BMW is OK but changing lane when stopped is not as easy as on other bikes.
- Must not overheat my legs. The F800R is an oven: as soon as the temperature hits 25C, my legs risk getting burned and I am forced to ride in a lady-of-the-night fashion (with my legs wide open). I can't imagine what it would be like to commute in Madrid, Rome or Athens in the summer.
- Able to resist the strongish winds we often get in London, especially near and along the river. My F800r is rock solid when many 125s, unsurprisingly, struggle big time.
- I don't want to lean forward too much. I am 180 cm (5'11''). My BMW is great for countryside rides, but the continuous stop and go of city traffic puts too much pressure on my wrists. I also find that more upright position lets me 'dominate' traffic better: better view ahead, easier to make lifesaver shoulder checks, etc. Yes, I am aware of the cycle ergo website.
- Smoother power delivery.
- Must have ABS.
- Must be able to install my ugly but functional Givi Maxia 56 topbox.
- Must be able to fit touring tyres like the Michelin Pilot Road 4 or the Metzler Roadtec 01. So, no Africa Twin with its crappy, non-tubeless tyres.
Methinks the Honda NC750x would be a very good option.The DCT automatic transmission is very convenient in city traffic but I'm willing to consider sticking to an ordinary manual gearbox. The engine is a bit lacking, but it seems that a more powerful engine come at the cost of something else which would make the bike a worse commuter than the NC, plus it's hard to make much use of a more powerful engine in city traffic. Maybe the Kawasaki Versys 650 or the Suzuki V-Strom. |
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 Posted: 12:32 - 17 Oct 2016 Post subject: Re: Recommend a bike for city commuting: NC750x or else? |
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| Londoner2015 wrote: | [*]Must be able to install my ugly but functional Givi Maxia 56 topbox. |
Curious criteria.
Have you considered the F700GS? It solves most of your issues. The position is upright, the bars are above car wing mirrors, and there are mounts on the rear subframe that you can bolt your top box base right onto, no rack required. I suggest the "700" rather than the 800 because it's got solid wheels and the power is delivered lower down than the 800 version.
On the heat issue, I've never found mine toasty, but then I don't get stuck in traffic that often, plus... thermometers go as high as 25?
I can't love mine, but I find it very hard to fault it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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 Posted: 12:44 - 17 Oct 2016 Post subject: Re: Recommend a bike for city commuting: NC750x or else? |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Londoner2015 wrote: | [*]Must be able to install my ugly but functional Givi Maxia 56 topbox. |
Curious criteria.
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Why? The huge topbox is ugly but extremely convenient. Without it, I'd need to carry a backpack, which is not great if I were to ever fall off the bike, plus makes me sweat big time, as I know from direct experience. BMW's panniers for the F800R are nice but hinder filtering too much.
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Have you considered the F700GS? It solves most of your issues. The position is upright, the bars are above car wing mirrors, and there are mounts on the rear subframe that you can bolt your top box base right onto, no rack required. I suggest the "700" rather than the 800 because it's got solid wheels and the power is delivered lower down than the 800 version.
On the heat issue, I've never found mine toasty, but then I don't get stuck in traffic that often, plus... thermometers go as high as 25?
I can't love mine, but I find it very hard to fault it. |
Yes, I considered the F700GS (not the 800 GS as it's too wide) but the fact that the engine is so similar to mine puts me off as I'd like smoother power delivery. I have never ridden an F700GS, though, so maybe I should try. So you've got an F700GS? How long have you had it? How much do you ride in city traffic? |
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 Posted: 15:31 - 17 Oct 2016 Post subject: Re: Recommend a bike for city commuting: NC750x or else? |
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| Londoner2015 wrote: | Yes, I considered the F700GS (not the 800 GS as it's too wide) |
They're substantially the same bike.
| Londoner2015 wrote: | but the fact that the engine is so similar to mine puts me off as I'd like smoother power delivery. I have never ridden an F700GS, though, so maybe I should try. So you've got an F700GS? How long have you had it? How much do you ride in city traffic? |
I have the F"650"GS, which is the 2008 - 2013 name for the F700GS. They both road oriented versions of the 800GS. A bit lower, solid wheels, RWU forks, the engine is detuned slightly.
I've had mine for 3 years and use it mostly as a commuter. It's not a filtering demon, but it's comfortable, very stable, and can get through most gaps with enough confidence.
I find the engine very tractable and progressive, with no jerking, flat sports or sudden surges. That may be down to the tuning relative to your R, or maybe I got a good 'un, or we have different views on what constitutes smoothness. I think it's slightly over-geared as stock, and going down a tooth on the front sprocket helps a fair bit (not an option with belt drive )
If you're thinking of a V-Strom or a Versys then I'd suggest giving the midi GSes a try, especially if you're considering a dealer trade-in. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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 Posted: 21:47 - 17 Oct 2016 Post subject: Re: Recommend a bike for city commuting: NC750x or else? |
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- superbike .
Hyperbike would be a busa etc - a bit too fat and lardy for my liking... and not looking so appealing unless you're going to bolt on a turbo when the litre bikes have come on so much. |
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I never really thought of it as a commuter but the top end of your budget would get you a new T120 Triumph. Effortless torque, lightest clutch I've ever known, ABS, TC, low seat height, 10k service interval and compared to my FJR1300, it's very maneuverable. Maybe ask Givi if they've got a rack for the Triumph to take the 56l box.
I'm not really a city rider but have went through some horrendous traffic and have done a fair bit of filtering and no problems. Have no idea at 25c as I live in Scotland  |
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<Something about gearing> ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Unfortunately, I find myself commuting into London at the moment and my Yamaha MT07 is acquitting itself very well: Light, narrow, economical and with punchy power right where you need it. And with a nice, upright riding position and a big top box it's close to ideal.
I must admit that I do find myself looking (slightly) enviously at the NC750X but only the automatic version. The manual is no different to any other bike, except slower.
Of course, nothing beats a twist 'n go scoot through the traffic but then they're useless for anything else (and you look like a 24 carat gheyer riding one). ____________________ Suzuki Bandit 1250
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Old Thread Alert!
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