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PostPosted: 10:22 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Drain bolt plug stripped Reply with quote

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How to fix?

I assume I'll have to drill it out a bit and fit a helicoil (which I've never done before).


This is on my xj600 while putting in the new bolt, why isn't the bolt softer than the thread? Crying or Very sad

Can anyone recommend me a kit to get?
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the sump bolted on? If so cheap one of eBay.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Is the sump bolted on? If so cheap one of eBay.


Ahh, suddenly this isn't so bad Laughing

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PostPosted: 10:33 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And remember to order a new gasket at the same time.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And a torque wrench.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And a Haynes manual.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

:D why do i need a torque wrench?

now you know, but...........also check to see if the "bolt" is tooooo long, or the hole is toooooo short.......... :karma:
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a torque wrench and haynes manual, the thread stripped at about 10nm.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

:D why do i need a torque wrench?

now you know, but...........also check to see if the "bolt" is tooooo long, or the hole is toooooo short.......... :karma:

10nm is about 8ftlbs ish......from memory......

can i see a crush washer on there?
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where you went wrong is using that magnetic sump plug, I bet it has a lot less thread on it than the original bolt had. I have fallen for this, all the thread came out the hole when I undid the plug.. I helicoiled mine because the CB250's engine is split vertically so there's no separate sump piece.

If it does have a lot less thread on it then do not use a torque wrench! Just nip it up a little bit tight and hope it doesn't fall out. If your bike has an oil filter (surely the XJ600 does?) then I'd totally recommend using the old plug again, for peace of mind.

Do you have the old plug/bolt to compare it with? I bet the new one has maybe a third of the thread on it, possibly less..
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snod Blatter wrote:
Where you went wrong is using that magnetic sump plug, I bet it has a lot less thread on it than the original bolt had. I have fallen for this, all the thread came out the hole when I undid the plug.. I helicoiled mine because the CB250's engine is split vertically so there's no separate sump piece.

If it does have a lot less thread on it then do not use a torque wrench! Just nip it up a little bit tight and hope it doesn't fall out. If your bike has an oil filter (surely the XJ600 does?) then I'd totally recommend using the old plug again, for peace of mind.

Do you have the old plug/bolt to compare it with? I bet the new one has maybe a third of the thread on it, possibly less..


What on earth is the point of a magnetic sump plug.

1. The engine is mainly aluminium alloy.

2. If you have lumps of steel washing around in your oil it's going to take more than a magnet to stop your engine getting destroyed.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bits of steel get smashed off the dogs in the gearbox, worn off the steel plates in the clutch and little bits come from everywhere else that is sliding and working. To be fair, the plug in my CB250 is always covered in "hairs" of steel, and I see it every 2000 miles. However, the CB250 doesn't have a proper paper filter, only a wire mesh on the feed to the oil pump - this is why I have persisted with the magnetic plug. I wouldn't ever use one in a straight up aluminium thread though, not again.. Seems okay once the thread is helicoiled/timeserted/whatever'd though.

To be honest I don't think they should sell them. There are even horror stories of the magnet part coming away and going for a little sight seeing tour right round everything..!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that PTFE tape?
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Is that PTFE tape?

I believe it's the sump.


Fin wrote:
I've got a torque wrench and haynes manual, the thread stripped at about 10nm.

At less than.

This is why I don't generally use torque wrenches.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 22 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old drain plug bolt had a lot of metal on it when I removed so they do work a bit.

I'll check the thread on the old bolt but it was magnetic too, I put the new one in as the manual said to replace the washer whenever you undo the drain bolt. The bolt with washer wasn't much more expensive than the washers on there own and I believe magnetic ones are better.
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