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PostPosted: 17:19 - 29 Nov 2016    Post subject: Exhaust blowing Reply with quote

My CBF600 is a little on the old side so i don't get too fussed about it being a bit noisy, However i think its developed a bit of a blow from the exhaust.

https://youtu.be/9Mlg-x07fr8

that flange the holds the exhaust in place doesn't look too secure either.

second opinions please.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 29 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, looks like it's the joys of removing corroded exhaust studs for you sunshine Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 29 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd drench that in plusgas every evening for a week, whilst you wait for the parts to arrive.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 29 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the header tops have rotted out. Find some new downpipes before you touch it is my advice.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 29 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

To take the exhaust off, safely. Spray all the nuts with WD40 / or penetrating oil and let it sit before you attempt to take them off (it helps if you tap the nuts with a hammer before you try to move them). After that, get the right size socket, or use a spanner, and now, you want a instant torque there to break the tension. So put the socket/spanner onto the nut, make sure the socket/spanner sits on the nut firmly at 90° and give it a impact/vigorous twist. This will break the tension and won't harm the studs and/or nuts.

DO NOT just slowly turn the wrench/spanner.
DO NOT use a long bar.

Broken studs and stripped nuts are nothing fun to deal with, especially when the studs break near the head.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grim....

as its my daily ride there is a limited window in which to get stuff done. id rather not order lots of parts until i know what i need.
At the same time i don't want to have the bike in bits and have no ride.

I have the week off at Xmas from the 24th until 3rd.
Maybe that's a good time to strip it down and see what's what.

or I will tell the the wife I obviously need a whole new bike.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
Grim....

as its my daily ride there is a limited window in which to get stuff done. id rather not order lots of parts until i know what i need.
At the same time i don't want to have the bike in bits and have no ride.

I have the week off at Xmas from the 24th until 3rd.
Maybe that's a good time to strip it down and see what's what.

or I will tell the the wife I obviously need a whole new bike.


There you are, her Christmas present for you Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
There you are, her Christmas present for you Thumbs Up


Indeed.

It may not be as bad as it looks.
the nuts are all long and cover most of the studs.
so there is very little thread being exposed to the elements.

i hope this will make it less likely they are seized.

also i used a bit of tissue paper to determine where the blow as and its clear that the flange on that side hasn't been done up correctly.

my plan is to bath it all in WD40 and see if i can back off the nuts and then re-tighten them to correct torque and see if that helps to seal it up.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see, well I would be taking the exhaust off to make a visual check of the exhaust seals then. Who knows how sloppy the mechanic was.

I know you do not want to do any of that, so just clean the studs (take the desired nuts off before you do) and give it proper Nm of torque. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
I see, well I would be taking the exhaust off to make a visual check of the exhaust seals then. Who knows how sloppy the mechanic was.

I know you do not want to do any of that, so just clean the studs (take the desired nuts off before you do) and give it proper Nm of torque. Thumbs Up


makes sense to me.
i have to back the nuts off anyhow and if they play nice its no effort to remove the exhaust and give it a good once over.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had to get the headers off my F3 this summer.

5 out of 6 studs backed out of the head and one snapped.
Ended up welding half a stud onto the broken one Confused.

Is it particularly common for the studs to back out of the head before the nuts break free?
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

skatefreak wrote:
Had to get the headers off my F3 this summer.

5 out of 6 studs backed out of the head and one snapped.
Ended up welding half a stud onto the broken one Confused.

Is it particularly common for the studs to back out of the head before the nuts break free?


1) Lube the nuts (WD40 or penetrating oil) and let them sit,
2) Tap them with a hammer,
3) Take them off.

Now tell us, did you bother with the first 2 steps or you just went straight to no. 3? Razz
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
WD40

Is barely better than nothing. You might as well recommend using coca-cola, or vinegar, or whatever else is in the kitchen.

Buy some PlusGas. It'll be far cheaper and more convenient than dealing with a snapped stud.

Consider cutting any accessible nuts off. You can use a dremel to do it neatly and fairly quickly (compared to drilling out a snapped stud in situ, anyway).
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 30 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT85, plus-gas and diesel (not all at the same time), blow torch and tapping a socket + extension.

Could not get the nuts off with the studs out the head for fear of breaking the studs either. The bike has spent a few years outside though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 01 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ordered some PlusGas from Eurocarparts who have a 25% off coupon for today.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 03 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Order some new studs.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 03 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is everybody talking about removing the studs?

Unless they are badly corroded then you simply use a nut splitter or a dremel to cut the old nuts off carefully and slowly (don't apply too much force).
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 04 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some lessons learned.

1. PlusGas works a treat.
2. Not setting your torque wrench to the correct newton meters will snap studs.
3 The metal exhuast gaskets (on the CBF600) are really a one time fit and never really work if refitted.

all back together with new gaskets and sound as new.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 04 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:

3 The metal exhuast gaskets (on the CBF600) are really a one time fit and never really work if refitted.

all back together with new gaskets and sound as new.



Uh pretty much like all other bike exhaust gaskets you need new copper ones each time you fit them.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 05 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
Some lessons learned.

1. PlusGas works a treat.
2. Not setting your torque wrench to the correct newton meters will snap studs.
3 The metal exhuast gaskets (on the CBF600) are really a one time fit and never really work if refitted.

all back together with new gaskets and sound as new.


Oops on 2. I'd definitely replace the gasket as a matter of course. Reusing one would be false economy.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 05 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheer up, you can easily snap studs even if your (randomly calibrated) torque wrench is correctly set.

I'm glad it all came together in the end though.
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