Enough power???

[Alex 3460]

Hello guys,

First of would like to tell you a little bit about my riding expirience, have ridden off and on over the last 2 years on my CBR400RR, I have recently turned 24 and have since done my full A licence now.


All my training upgrade/test was done on a Shiver 750 V Twin, now the plan was to buy something like a 600 super-sports but I'm in a situation now where I feel like I'll quickly get bored of the 600, don't get me wrong I know they are quick bikes but my CBR didn't feel very quick and the shiver didn't really woo me away so I was thinking of something like a GSXR 750 k7 onwards.

Would like to everyone's opinion on this please.


Thanks

[UrbanRacer]

You will shit your pants on a modern 600cc sportsbike (GSXR,R6 etc) when you go full throttle.

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A modern 600 or a modern 1000 will hit 70 in first in the same time.
Kept on the boil, 600s won't be far behind litre bikes. However, if you're lazy with the throttle the bigger bike will be a good bit faster.

Going from a ZX6R to the same year ZX9R, but a turned race bike and didn't find it 'felt' faster - it was just as fast for longer.

[stevo as b4]

I liked my ZX6R and liked the grunt of the Firestorm and the smooth power of a 2003 Fireblade.

But I'm 20years out of date with my views, apparently 600's are dead, and all peaky race bikes. 1000's all rev to 14000rpm with no low down power anymore because they are short stroke WSB ready out of the box, and people can all insure litre bikes now, and those that can't are all having a hard on over dull A2 bikes that are restricted and boring.

Oh yeah and BCF says that 98Blades, all 750's and stuff like ZX9R's and Thunderace's are all slow, dull and boring, and 200bhp should be a minimum for fast road use for the average person.

[ZX-7R]

You won't really notice the difference between the 600 and 750 on the twisties or regular road riding.
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[stevo as b4]

I'm surprised that an Aprilia 750cc twin semi supermoto style bike feels dull and boring after a CBR400? I thought the Aprilia was quite light, and not much heavier than the porky for a 400 CBR?

I guess it depends on how you ride it though too? And how you like the character of the engines etc.

Not a very good comparison, but I found the ER6 and even the CB500 to feel a bit more grunty under 6000rpm than the ZX6R. Its not even that simple though, as apart from the effects of gearing, the IL4 bike has a wider useable rev range without chain snatch, and doesn't chug and lurch at 3000rpm like the other two bikes do.

[skatefreak]

The problem with a super sports is it's just that and to get to the ompffhhhh (> 7,000rpm) you will find yourself very quickly passing even the highest speed limit.
I would even go as far as to suggest I used to ride faster on my 98 CBR600 f3 than I do now on my 99 R1 because there is so much more power lower in the rev range I just use than instead of kicking it down a gear and blasting off into the sunset (getting old I know...).
Hell I don't rev through the ompffhhh on the R1 on the road that often because it's licence loosing territory from 2'nd gear >.

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[Enduro Numpty]

"ENOUGH POWER???"

How much do you want? Do you want to top 200mph? Do you want to be able to open the throttle in any gear and know the bike will respond? Do you want a bike you can ride hour after hour or do you want a WSB lookalike? Will you carry a passenger? Will you carry luggage? Do you want to spend a large portion of your disposable income on tyres?

Power isn't the be all and end all. I recently got rid of my 2012 Fireblade which was, quite simply, the easiest bike to ride at ridiculous speeds I've ever known. The problem was that while the bike was capable of stunning performance in every area it was just too much for me to use on the road. A race track maybe but not the road. I don't ride like a pussy by any means but the possibility of bypassing a ban and going straight to jail held absolutely no appeal. Consequently I found it very frustrating and ultimately boring so it had to go .

So much choice out there and it's really up to you to decide what you want but big power in itself may not be what you want?

[kgm]

See I generally prefer a v-twin to an IL4. The top end rush is...a rush... but I enjoy the low down thrust of a twin and the abruptness of a single. I'd really love and SM. Granted I've not ridden many litre bikes but I always remember the Tuono (the earlier v-twin 1000). That thing pulled like fuck from anywhere in the rev range. Much fun, first bike to actually have me manically laughing as I was riding. https://youtu.be/Xqrz4M9FAnk?t=288 pretty much sums up my reaction the first time I had a go. I'd definitely like to put one in the garage. My current garage, whilst still fun, is too practical.

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[arry]

There is something deeply amusing about my 990 though. It's geared really well to make use of the lumps of torque so it's pretty consistent blattery right through to the limiter. It's many smiles.

[woo]

despite what is written on paper and times there is a massive difference between the power of a 1000cc and a 600cc sports bike, my experience on both has proven this to me and if in doubt watch this video as it will answer that question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopSUZSJdHc

you just gotta decide what you want from the bike and then the decision becomes alot easier!

the GSXR 750 k7 is a great bike however if you want it all out get a GSXR 1000 k5/k6

this just from my own personal experience as ive had them all ive gone from 50cc to 1000cc


Personally i prefer low down grunt which is what my GSXR 1000 k1 gives me but when i feel like a good thrash i use the honda msx 125 as you thrash that bike and cant break any speed limits so to speak
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[OldRTMan]

I decided some time ago that power is not the answer . Not really sure why I have a 1200 (!), on reflection yes its good and comfortable for touring but sometimes the weight makes you want to drop back down to a nippy, light 600 and to be honest I can't remember the last time I screwed back the throttle - hell but it looks good

[stevo as b4]

A big lazy 1200cc+ is fine and very agreeable to me for easy touring, mile munching or just long fast A-B trips on good roads. It also looks good at the pub having a big naked bike with oil cooler lines and a huge impressive engine sticking out.

Otherwise for in town, ease and convenience I'll take a cheap twist and go, and for having fun on the roads in town or country as a play bike, a silly and light 125-250cc bike that spews out clouds of blue is where it's at for me.

I've had 600's, and ridden bigger sporty bikes, but a full fairing and race focus bikes just make me feel soft and limp now.

[lingeringstin...]

I often scare the shit out of myself with 20 horsepower, no suspension, miserable brakes, and the cheapest tyres money can buy. Every inch is an adventure!