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Bordtea Derestricted Danger
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Posted: 00:30 - 24 Dec 2016 Post subject: Help Save UK Motorsport! |
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Have seen this doing the rounds on social media - could well be of interest to many on here! I notice there's another thread on the topic but this campaign gives a way forward so thought it was worth another thread.
Help save UK Motorsport!
Following the landmark ‘Vnuk’ case, the European Court of Justice has ruled that national laws must be changed to ensure that all mechanically propelled vehicles are insured for third-party losses regardless of type of use, in all places, at any time. This applies to everything from Formula One racing cars, to mobility scooters, to antique trams and everything in-between. The UK Government opened a consultation on Wednesday 21st December, seeking views on two proposed ways forward. You can read more here: www.fightvnuk.co.uk.
So how can you help? We have started a petition asking that HM Government under no circumstances implements the 'Vnuk' judgement in a way that encompasses vehicles involved in motor and motorcycle sport activities.
Website: www.fightvnuk.co.uk
Petition: https://bit.ly/2i6Cgsf
Be sure to sign and share the petition!
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I believe there's already an exemption for UK motorsport. Haven't really looked into it much as everyone's gone balls deep to "think of the children" mode. ____________________ My Flickr |
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Posted: 16:16 - 24 Dec 2016 Post subject: |
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G wrote: | Just three posts below this one:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=317347
This post here was all good until we got to 'petition'. Really?
How about you start by writing to your MP to express your opinion?
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote: | I believe there's already an exemption for UK motorsport. Haven't really looked into it much as everyone's gone balls deep to "think of the children" mode. |
There isn't that I'm aware of so far.
There isn't even an exception for dodgems that I can see, as they're a motorised vehicle! |
Have a look at the website. There are currently two buttons. One to sign the petition and one to write to your MP. ____________________ Triumph Monkey 🐒 |
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Yup.
In its most extreme form, it would mean that all vehicles (which The Man knows about) would need to be insured at all times. Conceivably no more SORN, and no more uninsured "field" or "track" bikes, or cars, or quads or for that matter mini-motor, >250W+ electric bicycles or Segways.
Just one of many gotchas: at what point would insurance become required if it's not when a vehicle is first road registered? First sale? (What distinguishes public from trade?) At customs clearance? Either way, DVLA/DVSA will be gushing their gussets at the prospect of a whole new raft of legislation and the mouse-nudgers required to enforce it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It's bloody ridiculous isn't it reading that article. My views are:
1, Slovenian farm worker should have sued farmer normally if it was a case of negligence or unsafe working environment. Tractor insurance should never have come into it.
Also the motto here is that if you badly injure someone with your tractor, your car, your bike etc. Then assuming there's no cctv or witnesss, your much better off running over them again to prevent a claim.
2, The whole insure every vehicle that moves in a public or closed organised private event is so stupid, as It might even have the effect of spectators stepping onto race tracks, or people jumping out in front of golf carts to get a bit of claimage in.
Back in the old Group B rally days, when cars used to horrifically fly off the road into the crowd at 120mph, it was in many cases anything but the drivers fault. If your going to place public just feet away from high speed vehicles, with no crash barriers, and not only that, but let them stray onto the track freely, then how would any insurance company take on that risk? It's just bloody insane to let public and spectators within easy striking distance of out control vehicles.
Keeping spectators away from events, or at a very safe distance say where you need TV to show them the action in detail would work much better than insuring everyone who competes in racing or track use.
This law would see an end to passengers in drag cars or on track days, maybe rightly so though?
3, let's say all motorsports had to have insurance, and it helps people to claim for injuries more easily. Firstly motorsports events and participation would decline and many low level affordable classes would fold up and not exist. But then you could get illegal underground events happening with no support, or safety or emergency services etc.
There's also the point of where do you go next to protect the public? I mean should all boat owners and watersports participants also have forced insurance in case they hit a swimmer? What is different that it requires insurance if I hit a swimmer with a jetski or fishing boat, than it is if I hit and injure them with a pedalo or sailing dingy?
What if Silverstone hosts bicycle races instead of car racing when motorsports dry up. I mean should you need insurance to ride a push bike on a private course in case you hit someone?
The whole, motorsports emphasis of the legislation just seems to ignore the real problems and focus on motorised vehicles= danger but everything else will be fine.
No more tractors on the farm in case they hurt someone, well that's just going to encourage more hands on labour intensive work, with probably less health and safety, more dangerous hand operated tools and more people injured as a result of it all. What if I injure a Co worker with a chainsaw, or a rotorvator etc, will I need to insure those next? The perverse thing is that two blokes stood under a tree with a hand saw are far more likely to get killed or injured than a single chainsaw operator who can cut the tree just how he wants to aim it before it falls. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 160 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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