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Jayy
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: 2016 Aprilia RSV4 or S1000RR? Reply with quote

Decided that I'm getting rid of the 1299 in the next month and going for something different to keep it interesting.

I REALLY like the RSV4s but I know a few people with them and they've said they can be a total nightmare with parts which can leave you out of action all summer if you're unlucky enough.

Is Aprilia still that bad? I remember they had this reputation when I had an RS125 nearly 10 years ago.

The S1000RR is an obvious choice, I love sports bikes and they are easy for parts and dealer support.

Decided to get a 1 year old bike as buying new is too much a kick in the bollocks when you go to sell them, shudder to think what I will get offered on the 1299.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friend of mine has an RSV4 Factory. It's a stunning piece of kit.

Apart from the 'local' Aprilia dealer winding up their dealings and going to another marque (and by local, I'm talking 100 miles round trip anyway), meaning that he's now got something ridiculous like 150 miles round trip to do every time he wants it serviced - he's had no bother at all.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they've upped the reliability of the valve dropping S100RR... then the BMW.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3WdxhXlLpc

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PostPosted: 14:42 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aprillia reliability seems to be much improved from the old days but be warned if you do need a part then nothing is quick to come out of Italy especially if you need it over their summer shutdown which means you'll be getting fuck all for weeks.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't ridden the BMW, but the sound and feel of the RSV4 is pretty special.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of those 2 i would go for the RSV4, i had the S1000RR and it was a bag of shit.
I had a shot of an HP4 last summer and it too had the same shite front end feel as the standard bike.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

@arry

Luckily it's about a 30 mile round trip for me to my local Aprilia dealer and they are a big place as well (Rocket Centre Blackburn), so not too bad on that front, it's about the same as my Ducati dealership now anyway.

@conzar - I have seen that video too many times Very Happy

@tom_e - Exactly what I said in my post! Parts are a twat (if you need them) and could write your whole summer off.

@Liam_ - Really? Everyone I know with S1Ks swear by them :/


Head is saying get an RSV4 Very Happy

Guy I know has had 2 RSV4s, think 09 and 12 plates and they have both had a gear go on them but I'm not sure if they have sorted all this out or not, it seems the 16 plates really ramped up several notches in line with all the other 200bhp / super electronics gizmos and other tricked out goodies on the bike.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:

@tom_e - Exactly what I said in my post! Parts are a twat (if you need them) and could write your whole summer off.


Yeah not totally sure how I managed to read around that chunk of your post Embarassed I'll blame the fact someone was probably trying to make me do actual work.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RSV4's just look special to me, s1k's are everywhere and they're getting a bit boring to look at.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks wise, they look much better than the S1K, hands down. Looks wise, my 1299 is one of the best looking bikes out there, it's beautiful but I'm bored of it and I want another bonkers machine to hold my attention for a 12 - 18 months.

The new ones are £19,999 Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rhys99 wrote:
RSV4's just look special to me, s1k's are everywhere and they're getting a bit boring to look at.


^ What he said.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll wait until mid march now before committing to anything because that's when everyone chops in their 16's for 17's and I'll snap a bargain up, as someone will snap my 1299 up Smile

All the 17 models will be Euro 4 compliant as well?
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair play to you for buying new crazy powered litre sports bikes because you can. But I would think (I have no idea or experience) that when you get to the level of bikes like a Ducati 1299R that you can't really get better or more able than that, just a sideways move but never upwards?

What is it that bores you about your stunning pretty Ducati exactly? Or is it that your a 1000cc sports bike nut, and you just want to play the field send see how all the rivals compare?

I can't imagine at that level, brand surfing and keep swapping for something else new but still pointy 200bhp sports bike shaped is going to keep satisfying you the same way?

As I said I've no recent 1000cc experience, I'm just interested in your justification that's all.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I test rode a rsv4 and couldn't get on with the seating position and the vibes from the v4 just killed it for me peronally, I really wanted to like it and I really wanted one. I bought a S1000RR in the end, after 2 years of trouble free ownership I have just sold it. I would buy another BMW great bike, I still like the look of the rsv4 but the points above and also dealership / parts problems put me off.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Fair play to you for buying new crazy powered litre sports bikes because you can. But I would think (I have no idea or experience) that when you get to the level of bikes like a Ducati 1299R that you can't really get better or more able than that, just a sideways move but never upwards?

What is it that bores you about your stunning pretty Ducati exactly? Or is it that your a 1000cc sports bike nut, and you just want to play the field send see how all the rivals compare?

I can't imagine at that level, brand surfing and keep swapping for something else new but still pointy 200bhp sports bike shaped is going to keep satisfying you the same way?

As I said I've no recent 1000cc experience, I'm just interested in your justification that's all.


You do it because you can? I know i keep changing my bikes because I can, although this time I have swaped my s1000rr for a new R speed triple, I think its going to be a better more rewarding B road tool than any modern litre sports.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Fair play to you for buying new crazy powered litre sports bikes because you can. But I would think (I have no idea or experience) that when you get to the level of bikes like a Ducati 1299R that you can't really get better or more able than that, just a sideways move but never upwards?

What is it that bores you about your stunning pretty Ducati exactly? Or is it that your a 1000cc sports bike nut, and you just want to play the field send see how all the rivals compare?

I can't imagine at that level, brand surfing and keep swapping for something else new but still pointy 200bhp sports bike shaped is going to keep satisfying you the same way?

As I said I've no recent 1000cc experience, I'm just interested in your justification that's all.


I had a ZX10R for 3 years (longest I've ever kept a bike), then an R1 (big bang, so again, different vibe from the ZX10R) and the 1299 being a big V twin, they are all vastly different from each other.

Going for the S1000RR is going to be like going back to a ZX10R but going for an RSV4 is going to be a different ride altogether with the V4, so keeping it interesting still. Then I will want something like a KTM 1290R.

I just want to work my way round all the bikes I always wanted to own Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair play to you! I guess as you go along more new or interesting stuff will crop up in time or the odd land mark must own bike of its time.

I guess I'm more into the whole appeal of the person that's owned the same bike for twenty years and tried several different incarnations, wheels, forks suspension and bodywork. And been through a few engines over the years.

I like the PB mantra of don't trade, upgrade. But it's not for everyone and a guess say spending 10grand on a 98R1 still won't be as special as some of the new interesting bikes?
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The RSV4 is noticeably more cramped than the S1000RR and the 1299. That might matter, so if you haven't done so, take a test ride to at least check the comfort.

Notwithstanding the ergonomics, the Aprilia would be my choice of those two, no question (more exotic, V4 engine, better looking, top shelf components, more focused). But then I prefer the 1299 to both. I'm completely with you on the 'try different stuff' front. Change can be a good thing for its own sake, but I don't think you can get better than the Ducati for involvement and a sense of occasion, and you might find yourself wanting another in the not too distant future.

If you expect that you'll end up owning both in one order or the other, then just buy the one you can find the best deal on?
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

In general, all of these bikes are ridiculously pointless on the road.

Get yourself a mini-twin championship bike for 3500-4k and discover riding a motorcycle.

Having ridden an M1 and an Rsv-R on the road, both are scarily competent machines but ultimately pointless. I get more pleasure out of ragging a sub 100hp rat than scaring myself stupid on a 200-ish hp superbike that is barely useable on the track, let alone on the road.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Fair play to you! I guess as you go along more new or interesting stuff will crop up in time or the odd land mark must own bike of its time.

I guess I'm more into the whole appeal of the person that's owned the same bike for twenty years and tried several different incarnations, wheels, forks suspension and bodywork. And been through a few engines over the years.

I like the PB mantra of don't trade, upgrade. But it's not for everyone and a guess say spending 10grand on a 98R1 still won't be as special as some of the new interesting bikes?


I literally have zero interest in doing that mate, each to their own.

Alex A wrote:
The RSV4 is noticeably more cramped than the S1000RR and the 1299. That might matter, so if you haven't done so, take a test ride to at least check the comfort.

Notwithstanding the ergonomics, the Aprilia would be my choice of those two, no question (more exotic, V4 engine, better looking, top shelf components, more focused). But then I prefer the 1299 to both. I'm completely with you on the 'try different stuff' front. Change can be a good thing for its own sake, but I don't think you can get better than the Ducati for involvement and a sense of occasion, and you might find yourself wanting another in the not too distant future.

If you expect that you'll end up owning both in one order or the other, then just buy the one you can find the best deal on?


I don't think I will regret getting rid of the Ducati, I've had my fun on it and can tick it off as a dream bike to have owned but I want to try a fair few more bikes out before I decide on coming back to it in several years time. However, if the rumours are to be believed, Ducati might release a V4 next... now that would be a tasty burger!

lilredmachine wrote:
In general, all of these bikes are ridiculously pointless on the road.


In your opinion Thumbs Up

I'll wait until mid March yet, see all the bikes that flood the market and see if I can snap up a minter. To be honest, I don't have my mind particularly set on either but I know if I saw an S1000rr and RSV4 both at the same time and I had a choice, I'd go with the RSV4 but if there isn't anything about... I'll grab the S1K as they are far more common.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:

In your opinion Thumbs Up


Whilst this is entirely true, having spannered for my mate Pete at BSB and NG club events, placing 9th at Donny in the wet on a terribly underfunded bike in the superstock BSB 600 class and ultimately winning several NG championships, including placing 2nd in the open class on a standard Triumph 675R vs. many R1ms and RSV-Rs, I would argue that any performance over that of a relatively standard Sv650 on the road is wasted. Any advantage comes from the standard of the rider, and generally that comes from the gradual build up of the rider on horseshit bikes.

I can totally understand being bored of the bike you have presently. But to totally block the possibility that the reason you are bored is because the performance of said bike is totally unreasonable on the road in general and you could have far more fun pushing a lesser machine harder would be somewhat foolish.

I am just saying. I ride a pig of a turbo bike that weighs a good 50kgs heavier than any of the bikes mentioned in this thread, but will hold a crotch rocket to the wall when ridden well, also a 250cc CBR RR that is never left behind on the Island by the sportsbike club, which suffice to say, offers a good cross section of modern angry litre+ bikes.

Plus I think that the bike you have presently is the most wonderfully gorgeous machine presently available on the market. I have to stop and stare when I see one. Especially as when I race one on the strip I usually can't see it due to it being behind me. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad you get a kick out of riding said bikes but I don't. Let's not turn this in to a debate about whether they are suitable bikes for the road Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see where Jayy is coming from, i too would love a monster 1l bike that i can power wheelie at 100mph for lulz
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has OP done any track days or racing?

If you enjoy all the powerz etc that's where I'd be heading.

Unless you're buying to be a tart, in which case ignore me.
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