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Jayy
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Insurance Company Lied to me... Reply with quote

So, after doing a quote online the other week, I was pretty impressed with £480 FC on my new bike, lowest it has been for years.

Then I get told by a local dealer on Facebook to try their new insurance company on the phone, which I did and they were asking questions like,

Have you ridden powerful bikes before? < Laughing Laughing Laughing
What did you pay for your last bikes insurance? ( Why? You gotta beat £480 not my previous policy )

Have you EVER been convicted of a crime? ( Had to explain a drugs conviction fomr 17 YEARS ago ).

Then they ring me back and say, "Need more info on conviction, did you go to prison?" - I mean WTF? I've never been asked that shit by any insurer. In the end, I told them to fuck off and stop wasting my time.

Now I wanna ring back the £480 quote and do that.

I do a quick re-comparison (Bike Insurer) 6 days later and it has gone up to £580. Balls. So I ring up and quote the £480 number and all is well, some Polish chick who can't really understand English that great runs through it all.

Total price? With 1 year less NCB than I stated on line... £414. Happy fucking days.

Proceeds to ask me my DEBIT card number, then panics and tells me she's made a mistake setting up the DIRECT DEBIT on my account and can I hold? I say wooooowwww, so if you made a mistake setting up a DIRECT DEBIT to my bank account, how did you do that when you just took my DEBIT card info?

She says oh it's fine, let me put you on hold...... puts on hold for 5 mins.... comes back, "Everything is fine now can I have your bank account and sort number?" - I say, hang on a minute, something isn't right here what are you talking about? You're not making sense (she was dodging around what I was asking). She said she will double check with her manager... disappears for a minute and says yeah it's all good.

I said I wanna talk to your manager, something isn't right. She puts me on hold again...

Whilst I'm on hold, I check my bank balance... the full amount has come out. I NEVER pay insurance companies in full, bunch of robbing cunts, why would I do that? (Plus I change my bikes a lot).

She comes back and tells me everything is fine, sticks with her story of messing up direct debit.

I ask her again if she took the £62 payment, she says yes. She then takes my bank / sort, tells me I'm all done and the £62 has gone through and monthly £37 payments setup.

I then tell her that I see £414 missing, want to speak to manager.

Manager comes on and she tells me what actually happened was this woman fucked up (as I suspected), then rang her (manager) and manager refunded the difference from the £62 payment and said happy days. Only her woman hadn't told her manager (so the manager says) what had happened so the manager was un-aware of the whole situation.

So what do I do? Make formal complaints (they basically fucking lied to me 4 times that everything was cool and only £62 went out my account, even after I challenged her she coulnd't have messed up the direct debit as she hadn't taken my bank/sort code details at this point)
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

So has the manager now sorted out the problem or not?

If they have Thumbs Up If they haven't, well, then you get to moan profusely, get absolutely nowhere and probably end up a lot worse off than paying it and getting the insurance at £414.

I just feel with insurance companies you can never win. I'm sure they tell each other, 'he was a right c**t, make sure he pays through the nose.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Formal complaint, they have a certain amount of time before it has to be referred to FOS.

Make sure to mention that there was a jump in your quotes, you may be able to get some compensation. Might not but no harm in trying.

Arry or Borg are probably the best to ask.
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
So has the manager now sorted out the problem or not?

If they have Thumbs Up If they haven't, well, then you get to moan profusely, get absolutely nowhere and probably end up a lot worse off than paying it and getting the insurance at £414.

I just feel with insurance companies you can never win. I'm sure they tell each other, 'he was a right c**t, make sure he pays through the nose.


Nope, she said I'll get back to you tomorrow. Meanwhile, that difference she apparently refunded is nowhere to be seen.

Said I want a copy of the call and they reckon it's going to be mailed out on a CD to me.

My new bike is being delivered tomorrow morning as well Mad
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re the criminal conviction, they're asking because its important. If you'd gone to prison over x sentence then that conviction is never spent. If it's still relevant to UW then you'd likely be a decline.

Read up yourself on LASPO 2012 and if it's spent do yourself a favour and never fucking mention it to anyone ever again.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Re the criminal conviction, they're asking because its important. If you'd gone to prison over x sentence then that conviction is never spent. If it's still relevant to UW then you'd likely be a decline.

Read up yourself on LASPO 2012 and if it's spent do yourself a favour and never fucking mention it to anyone ever again.


240 hrs CS, it was bollocks at the time and related to weed. I believe 11 years it's classed as spent?
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget any refund takes at least a day more likely 2 or 3 to show on your account balance so there's every chance they have issued the refund before someone else says it yes there's also every chance they haven't but you won't know for a couple of days.

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PostPosted: 16:12 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct it is well and truly spent. Don't ever disclose it again.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:
Don't forget any refund takes at least a day more likely 2 or 3 to show on your account balance so there's every chance they have issued the refund.


I thought as much but miss manager was adamant it should be "pretty immediate". Fucking cock womble.


arry wrote:
Correct it is well and truly spent. Don't ever disclose it again.


I won't Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
If it's still relevant to UW then you'd likely be a decline.

Does that count as being refused insurance?
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically yes but no - insurers bang on about disclosure but aren't very good at asking clear fair and not misleading questions. I wouldn't make any effort to disclose.

The declinature is not personal to you, it's their strategy which is they do not underwrite that class. It's no different to being told no because of your postcode, or they don't insure firebusas.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't do complaints, but this has fucked me right off.

Had she said, "Look, I fucked up here and this is what happened", I wouldn't be half as fucked off.

What do you think would happen if I did put a formal complaint in arry? In the end, nothing?

Am I just being a nob here? Razz
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering as years ago it was common for insurance companies not to give a quote if it was an absurd number (like 100k on a Punto Smile). eBike also stopped giving me any quotes at one point.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
I don't do complaints, but this has fucked me right off.

Had she said, "Look, I fucked up here and this is what happened", I wouldn't be half as fucked off.

What do you think would happen if I did put a formal complaint in arry? In the end, nothing?

Am I just being a nob here? Razz


If it's a simple mistake and there is no malice behind it, and it hasn't inconvenienced you unduly or financially impeded you then just move on.

If you've lost money as a direct result then complain and ask to be compensated.

Oh and always pay in full but be VERY wary of terms of business and cancellation fees.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Insurance Company Lied to me... Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
I NEVER pay insurance companies in full, bunch of robbing cunts, why would I do that?


Because it's better than having a loan in your name for the amount of your policy.

You do know that's how it works right?
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Insurance Company Lied to me... Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Jayy wrote:
I NEVER pay insurance companies in full, bunch of robbing cunts, why would I do that?


Because it's better than having a loan in your name for the amount of your policy.

You do know that's how it works right?


Don't you have more important things to be doing, like dealing with the Adam Aarons fan club email / post? Or getting that official merch posted out to fans?

Yes Craig, I know how it works but.... reasons.


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PostPosted: 16:58 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me like she made a mistake, got flustered and was too embarrassed to admit it. Probably hasn't been in insurance long enough to get her lies down pat. Since it's pretty well sorted, why would you waste time on it.

Sure if you've got nothing better to do, fire off a complaint. What are you expecting to get out of it? You'll get nothing but I'm wondering what you're expecting.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Insurance Company Lied to me... Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:

Whilst I'm on hold, I check my bank balance... the full amount has come out. I NEVER pay insurance companies in full, bunch of robbing cunts, why would I do that? (Plus I change my bikes a lot).


Why?

You are paying to take out a loan.
Paying in full is so much better, as if you need to cancel ins when on a monthly credit agreement, You might end up still having to pay the balance off.

I assume that you were talking about your available balance, and not something that had debited your account (seen on stmt)
In that case the manager may have simply cancelled/reversed the authorization.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Seems to me like she made a mistake, got flustered and was too embarrassed to admit it. Probably hasn't been in insurance long enough to get her lies down pat. Since it's pretty well sorted, why would you waste time on it.

Sure if you've got nothing better to do, fire off a complaint. What are you expecting to get out of it? You'll get nothing but I'm wondering what you're expecting.


Mistake = genuinely making a mistake and owning up to it.

Lying = repeatedly telling me only £62 has gone out my account, about 4 times in total I asked her that.

Not sure what I want to happen, I'm wondering if there's any point at all. Just feels like every time insurance comes up, we get absolutely cunted on it.

I asked further up is there any point in complaining if nothing much will happen. She kept mentioning compensation, to which I said I'm not arsed about compensation I'm just pissed off with the way this shit was done.

Think that's why I posted it on here, to see what the oh mighty BCF mandem thinks.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

To add balance, I've had 1 issue on arranging or renewing insurance policies in over 15 years. It was on motorcycle. It was a little bit my fault too. Rest of time, never had an issue.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loui5D wrote:
Borg are probably the best to ask.

Borg is too busy wondering why OP would choose to end the year having paid an extra £55 / 13% APR in interest charges.

I'd always fire straight in with a complaint just to piss on their chips, but I wouldn't expect any action or compo, unless you can show a loss.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past I've had murder getting back a full policy I paid for and had to cancel 6 months early due to medical reasons at the time. The £300 they owed, amounted to fuck all by the time they levied a load of bollocks charges on me. That went all the way to ombudsman and turned out to be a big waste of time.

Hence I don't mind paying a little extra over the course of 10 months, that doesn't matter to me, just a point of principal over that.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:

Hence I don't mind paying a little extra over the course of 10 months, that doesn't matter to me, just a point of principal over that.


If you pay monthly and cancel early, you still owe the remainder of the policy. It not insurance by the month, it's just a loan that you also pay interest on. Makes no sense to do it this way if you can afford to stump up on one hit.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^
A thousand times that.

It'll cost you more to cancel half way through than if you'd paid up front, thanks to the interest. I get the pragmatic difference that the money begins in your pocket and they have to come after it, and also, fu​ck 'em.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:

I thought as much but miss manager was adamant it should be "pretty immediate". Fucking cock womble.

As far as I know 'several' days is a limit by the card systems.

This is why I record all calls.
Free apps available for those that don't.
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