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Poecilotheria
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Bloody rust!!! Reply with quote

Just cant see how its happening, bike is always covered and cleaned. Never been let to be poured on in rain without its cover (oxford good quality one) but my clutch and front brake adjusters are now showing rust, my front disc was literally stuck to pads. My discs are cleaned weekly, its driving me crazy.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're made from unprotected metal.

The brake discs in particular are exposed to the elements as the friction rubs off any coating to protect them from the elements. Add in heat from friction you get surface rust. It even happens on cars brake discs.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What can I do to protect my non disc rusted parts? something good
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cover won't prevent rust. If it's outside, it'll be exposed to moisture one way or another. Steel parts will be particularly vulnerable.

Storage in a garage usually will prevent rust, especially if it's heated.


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PostPosted: 23:14 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poecilotheria wrote:
What can I do to protect my non disc rusted parts? something good


ACF50 or FS365.

FS365 worked well for me as I reapplied it after every ride. I built up a layer of protective crud on my bikes. You'd be able to rub off a layer of crud come summer though summer would also get applications of it.

Though YMMV.

https://f2mcltd.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/winter-salt-protection-acf50-fs365-or.html


Or you go the cheapo route and simply slather your bike in grease (but not the brake discs). It looks awful. It rubs off onto your clothing if you should brush against it but it works.

Ross a bike shop owner I once knew used a thick layer of grease on his XJ900. He's always leave grease stains on my chairs though from the rub off. But when he degreased it later his bike was nice and new under the crud.


Since it's just the adjusters I'd go grease.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The adjusters I would replace with alloy ones and any bolts that are starting to go I would look for your nearest plating firm, and ask them to Cadmium plate them. Don't let them fob you off with Zinc or Zinc Nickel.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 01 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is super helpful, thanks. It seems good to have acf 50 looking at the control and test pictures.

I just got a pair of nissin off a scrap bike, I have looked for plate firms and there is one not far from me so will get them done before fitting I think.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode a £800 Chinese 125 through three Scotch winters and it was still pristine when I sold it on. It was ACF-50'd when fresh out of the crate, and re-applied each Autumn. Correlation doesn't imply causation, but I'm a believer.

That said:

Itchy wrote:
Since it's just the adjusters I'd go grease.

That. Or vaseline, or any other gloop that you have handy.

Heretical as it is, I apply a thin covering of grease to my (O and X ring) chains rather than oiling them. Oil shouldn't penetrate past the rings anyway, and the grease is there to prevent surface corrosion without flinging off.

Chain lube thread get.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a German product which I bought a while back (but rarely use) to stop discs from rusting. They allege that it has no effect on braking performance. Apparently used by motor dealers who display their vehicles outside.

AHB Disc Protector

https://www.directsupplyukltd.co.uk/brake-disc-protect/p368
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The local allyearbiker guy has said that they offer another treatment other than ACF-50 called XCP one.

The promotional pack they sent to him made it look really good (as you'd imagine)

Tbh if it lived up to half of what it says it's almost as good as acf50
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
There's a German product which I bought a while back (but rarely use) to stop discs from rusting.

Does it?

Oldie wrote:
They allege that it has no effect on braking performance.

Does it?

BCF requires that you soak your discs then hammer it towards a ditch. Whistle

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PostPosted: 10:33 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spray a bit of ACF50 on to a soft cloth and wipe it on metal parts...exhaust down pipes and other places. Then I leave it for a day or two, when I start bike up to ride it the ACF50 seems to evaporate off as it smokes off looking as if bike is about to catch fire. What is best way to apply ACF50 ??
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loui5D wrote:
another treatment other than ACF-50 called XCP one.


I've ordered some of this stuff to compare (XCP rust blocker). I've had no trouble with ACF other than is being tricky to apply thinly though.

I did find this though.... https://f2mcltd.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/xcp-rust-blocker-v-acf50-testing-and.html although they don't show the product I'm not too sure..... The XCP comparison video looks promising but it's made by the company that makes it so....

I've had decent results with ACF50 and FS365
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Honda CBF125 had rust issues, to be fair, not as bad as my BMW Sertao.

My Honda I knew would need looking after from the threads on here, and unusually for me I cleaned it meticiu I can't spell that, carefully.

Yet I noticed rust streaks just inside the little fairing on both sides from a fastener.

Sertao ditto from the sides of the oil cooler but worse after being left out in the rain, once.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad times, but common on both bikes. I'd have thought that all the oil leaking from the cooler would have kept the rust at bay though. Whistle
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve__b wrote:
I spray a bit of ACF50 on to a soft cloth and wipe it on metal parts...exhaust down pipes and other places. Then I leave it for a day or two, when I start bike up to ride it the ACF50 seems to evaporate off as it smokes off looking as if bike is about to catch fire. What is best way to apply ACF50 ??


cover your wheels and spray it everywhere, then use a small soft paintbrush to do the wheels. (I would guess)
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

bike chain lube helps if you cant be arsed with ACF 50
I use chain lube on most exposed parts and reapply when needed hence why my msx is totally rust free
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudshark wrote:
steve__b wrote:
I spray a bit of ACF50 on to a soft cloth and wipe it on metal parts...exhaust down pipes and other places. Then I leave it for a day or two, when I start bike up to ride it the ACF50 seems to evaporate off as it smokes off looking as if bike is about to catch fire. What is best way to apply ACF50 ??


cover your wheels and spray it everywhere, then use a small soft paintbrush to do the wheels. (I would guess)



Just be careful you don't do this on brand new tyres.

I made that mistake when trying to take the lump of the paddock stand, it threw me over with it.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Oldie wrote:
There's a German product which I bought a while back (but rarely use) to stop discs from rusting.

Does it?

Oldie wrote:
They allege that it has no effect on braking performance.

Does it?

BCF requires that you soak your discs then hammer it towards a ditch. Whistle

Be safe, wear your Rainpal.


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Can't remember

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PostPosted: 20:25 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Rust Reply with quote

Cheapest and one of the best options Silicon spray from the range for bike and kit......£6 ish a big can.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Rust Reply with quote

Cheapest and one of the best options Silicon spray from the range for bike and kit......£6 ish a big can.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I ride to fast or too many miles but one application of ACF 50 does not last me a winter, tbh at the moment I am happy if it lasts two weeks.

Seems like I am always fecking cleaning the thing, despite liberal coatings of ACF I still have pits appearing on fork, wing mirrors and down by the tank hinge. It does take some abuse this time of year with all the salt.

I see daffodils and blossom so spring is here so the gritters can go back to wence they came and I can get back to my monthly cleaning schedule.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 02 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apply ACF-50.
Don't clean.
Wait for spring.
Clean.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 03 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Apply ACF-50.
Don't clean.
Wait for spring.
Clean.

I apply
Wait a day
Ride
It evaporates off like smoke when bike gets warm
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 05 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheap silicone spray is the answer
its not a lube remember , just spray it on anything you dont want to rust including the exhaust , just keep it away from brake disks ,
its easy and cheap
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