A question about shifting into first

[firg]

Hi all,

something occured to me: If you are already in first gear, is there any problem with trying to shift down again (say your unsure at lights when youve stopped if you have already shifted into first)?

I.e. will it cause painful crunching?

cheers,

Loz
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[Bomberman]

Nothing will happen. It just won't move except maybe bend a little
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[firg]

Alrighty, thanks.

Also, whats clutchless shifting? Do ya just use brute force?
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[wildcat]

I usually do this just to check, or I flick it up to neutral.
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[Fruit'n'nut]

[Flip]

You have to be 'giving it some' for clutchless shifting to work though. Once you have it nailed, it is so much better. Just takes a little practice on the timing but it's easy to do.

[Fire_Eyes]

Does clutchless shifting harm the engine in any way? Thanks.
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[Flip]

No.

[strag]

Do not use clutchless from 1st to second!!

It is easy once you have mastered it. All you need to do is shut the throttle quickly, knock it up and open the throttle again. Much faster changes. It's all timing which you will get with practice.

Oh yeah, don't try to do it going down the gears either.
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[dodsi]

I like kawasaki positive neutral, kick it right down and stop....

...will only go into neutral.

[Claud 14.7 to 1]

[mchaggis]

[Little Miss PMT]

I have got into the habit of tapping the gear down before a move off.................just in case
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[Flip]

Nowt wrong with that. I still do it after 3 years.

[Aikman666]

thot this might be the right place to put the question in: when im shifting (im 15, an offroader) the gear sometimes slips and goes into neutral, is this because im not puttin the gear lever up (or down) hard enough, or is it a problem with my gearbox? BTW im not using clutchless shifting, only ever done that once by mistake

Thanx guys!
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[instigator]

Yes, it's most likely you not pushing your foot down hard enough and it slips into a false enutral. My bike sometimes does it too. The sr125 bike I learned on done that too (on the test, I got a minor for that )

Unless it does it excessively after pushing down/up with your foot, then there might be something wrong.

[Flip]

Yeah. Give a firm stamp down and it'll go in if not your gearbox has probs.

Is it a suzuki? Got a gixxer and that needs a firm stamp into first, So does my loaned SV.

[White Noise]

Also if you are having problems getting it out of neutral into first or second, let the clutch out a little then give it a firm stamp, it should get you into first.
WN
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[jonboy]

[Aikman666]

thanx for the help guys, ill keep that in mind next time i go out on her..... After i get my front brake fixed (hit a tree a few days back). To answer you flip, no its not a suzuki, its an old BSA. I bought it about 4 months ago, and just finished completely refurbishing it, which probably explains why it dont work right

If you have access rights to the Scottish forum this is the thread:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=38264
wish i had taken some before pictures tho
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[WildGoose]

advice on clutchless shifting from what i have learnt, DONT think about it as:-

"roll off throttle, push gear lever up, then apply throttle again"

if you are on a constant throttle, no matter how hard the gear lever is pushed up, it wont change, so apply the pressure to the lever early...

the moment you roll off, even a few mm, the gear will change, and as soon as you hear the click, bang the throttle back open, it takes milliseconds to do, and this will give you the smoothest change if you arent using the clutch at all

remember you dont have to close the throttle all the way, just a few mm will do
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[jonboy]

The idea I think is to close the throttle to the point where the bike is neutral - ie slowing down at the same rate as it would if you just pulled the clutch in and let it coast. This means all the transmission is unloaded and the gear will just slip in.

So if you were cruising at a steady speed you would hardly need to adjust the throttle at all, and if the bike was slowing down under engine braking you would actually open the throttle before moving the gear lever up.

How high your revs are when shifting would also affect how much throttle you should roll off to - heeping revs steady at about 11k needs quite a bit of throttle, whereas changing up just above idle would require rolling off to pretty much no throttle.

Usually putting a little pressure upwards on the gear lever before rolling off is the best way.

[Flip]

[Fruit'n'nut]

[jonboy]