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 Posted: 14:19 - 05 Apr 2018 Post subject: Angle grinders (mains vs battery): time to cut chains? |
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Bennets published these reviews of motorcycle chains and locks: https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-choose-the-best-motorcycle-security
It took 42 seconds to cut the best chain with a 115mm disc angle grinder – mains powered, as “a battery grinder is impractical for multiple cutting tests” .
As someone who has never used one of these thingies before, I wonder: how different would the results be with a battery angle grinder? And how long do those batteries last cutting this kind of chains? Does any one know? I ask because if some oxygen thief were to try to cut my Pragmasis chain, they’d most likely do it with a portable one.
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Stupid test is stupid, they don't knock and ask for an extension lead so they can plugin their Makita do they???
They only use battery grinders. So how these locks hold out against one fully charged 18v cordless grinder
is very relevant data. I don't imagine they carry spare batteries around. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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You get battery powered electro-hydraulic shear cutters too which will go through your chain in under 5 seconds. It's what they used on the 16mm grade 80 load chain I used to chain my bike up with.
https://youtu.be/5QSfqHld-XY
Think about it, they have to cut the chain into short lengths before they sell it to you so there's no such thing as an uncuttable chain.
A decent battery angle grinder will have the same rev/torue as a mains one.
Be interesting to see what one of those double bladed cut-off saws would make of a chain because they go through stainless like it's butter. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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I see, thanks. So, in summary, a good battery-operated grinder should take roughly the same time.
I'm looking to have the bike version of the "Magnavolt car defence system" installed on my bike. Does any one know of any installers in the London area?
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"Seven out of ten bikes aren’t locked at all, so while social media would have you believe that London’s streets are swarming with angle-grinder-equipped gangsters, the reality is that far too many motorcycles and scooters are simply an easy target."
They're not gangsters, they're bikelife vermin.
Anyway, those seven out of ten bikes which aren't locked at all are useful. Parking next to a more desirable bike that the owner hasn't bothered to lock up is more useful than knowing the finer points of how quickly each chain can be cut.
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 Posted: 15:23 - 05 Apr 2018 Post subject: Re: Angle grinders (mains vs battery): time to cut chains? |
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This probably is more powerful than most mains 5" grinders;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBx_R6zV3I
I still want to get one some time, but haven't been able to justify it yet unfortunately - I already have a more wimpy Ryobi that generally does a decent enough job - though does really need the 5ah (18v) battery for any reasonable run time - though I expect you could cut at least one lock with a smaller battery if you were doing that..
With the 3Ah 56v battery it should last a reasonable time.
It's likely way too complicated for the typical scrotes, but you can easily get a portable oxy- "gas axe" setup that should cut through most chains pretty quickly. And of course - in a lot of situations the chains aren't connected to something overly strong. Okay, you can't ride the bike away, but they can take it around the corner or whatever to carry on then. |
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| stinkwheel wrote: | A decent battery angle grinder will have the same rev/torue as a mains one. |
I cock a snoot at battery powered cars, but truth to tell, modern lithium cells can delivery shocking amounts of power.
Makita do (for example) 5.0Ah "18V" batteries.
I expect those will be 5 x 3.7V cells or nominally more like 18.5V, which when fully charged will actually be pumping out closer to 21V.
With a typical 20C discharge, that'll be 5 * 20 * 21 or 2.1kW. If you can find a 115mm mains grinder with a motor that draws more than 2kW, I'd be surprised. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 310 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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