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PostPosted: 14:19 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Angle grinders (mains vs battery): time to cut chains? Reply with quote

Bennets published these reviews of motorcycle chains and locks: https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-choose-the-best-motorcycle-security
It took 42 seconds to cut the best chain with a 115mm disc angle grinder – mains powered, as “a battery grinder is impractical for multiple cutting tests” .

As someone who has never used one of these thingies before, I wonder: how different would the results be with a battery angle grinder? And how long do those batteries last cutting this kind of chains? Does any one know? I ask because if some oxygen thief were to try to cut my Pragmasis chain, they’d most likely do it with a portable one.

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid test is stupid, they don't knock and ask for an extension lead so they can plugin their Makita do they???
They only use battery grinders. Doh! So how these locks hold out against one fully charged 18v cordless grinder
is very relevant data. I don't imagine they carry spare batteries around.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get battery powered electro-hydraulic shear cutters too which will go through your chain in under 5 seconds. It's what they used on the 16mm grade 80 load chain I used to chain my bike up with.

https://youtu.be/5QSfqHld-XY

Think about it, they have to cut the chain into short lengths before they sell it to you so there's no such thing as an uncuttable chain.

A decent battery angle grinder will have the same rev/torue as a mains one.

Be interesting to see what one of those double bladed cut-off saws would make of a chain because they go through stainless like it's butter.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I don't imagine they carry spare batteries around.


Or a 240v generator either...

stinkwheel wrote:
A decent battery angle grinder will have the same rev/torue as a mains one.


Yes and no. If the motor is straining due to the toughness of the chain, it's going to drain the battery. Would it still cut through the chain on a fresh charge? Most likely...
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see, thanks. So, in summary, a good battery-operated grinder should take roughly the same time.

I'm looking to have the bike version of the "Magnavolt car defence system" installed on my bike. Does any one know of any installers in the London area? Mr. Green

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtqRir7dco
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You get battery powered electro-hydraulic shear cutters too which will go through your chain in under 5 seconds. It's what they used on the 16mm grade 80 load chain I used to chain my bike up with.

https://youtu.be/5QSfqHld-XY
This baby cuts up to 16mm, so wouldn't be able to go through 19mm and 22mm chains. Are there hydraulic cutters than could cut those? Or would they be too big to carry around on a stolen scooter?

stinkwheel wrote:


Think about it, they have to cut the chain into short lengths before they sell it to you so there's no such thing as an uncuttable chain.

Well, obviously, there is no such thing as an uncuttable chain, nor AFAIK an unpickable lock.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Seven out of ten bikes aren’t locked at all, so while social media would have you believe that London’s streets are swarming with angle-grinder-equipped gangsters, the reality is that far too many motorcycles and scooters are simply an easy target."

They're not gangsters, they're bikelife vermin.

Anyway, those seven out of ten bikes which aren't locked at all are useful. Parking next to a more desirable bike that the owner hasn't bothered to lock up is more useful than knowing the finer points of how quickly each chain can be cut.

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PostPosted: 15:20 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
far too many motorcycles and scooters are simply an easy target.

True. Indeed, I am never particularly worried when I park somewhere in central London in broad daylight, because the chances I'll park next to more desirable bikes with less security is very high - almost a certainty.

I am more worried about parking at home, because scrotes have more time to act undisturbed at night. A mate recently had his pride and joy (a Tracer worth no more than 5k, not an F4 Serie Oro...) nicked from outside his home, even though it was chained to a lamppost. I think he used a 16mm chain, but I doubt a 22mm chain would have made much difference - it would have simply meant a few more seconds of work with the grinder (the scrotes used a grinder). Maybe only a tracker could have saved him. And the MagnaVolt defence system, of course Cool
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Angle grinders (mains vs battery): time to cut chains? Reply with quote

This probably is more powerful than most mains 5" grinders;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBx_R6zV3I

I still want to get one some time, but haven't been able to justify it yet unfortunately - I already have a more wimpy Ryobi that generally does a decent enough job - though does really need the 5ah (18v) battery for any reasonable run time - though I expect you could cut at least one lock with a smaller battery if you were doing that..

With the 3Ah 56v battery it should last a reasonable time.

It's likely way too complicated for the typical scrotes, but you can easily get a portable oxy- "gas axe" setup that should cut through most chains pretty quickly. And of course - in a lot of situations the chains aren't connected to something overly strong. Okay, you can't ride the bike away, but they can take it around the corner or whatever to carry on then.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Londoner2015 wrote:
This baby cuts up to 16mm, so wouldn't be able to go through 19mm and 22mm chains. Are there hydraulic cutters than could cut those? Or would they be too big to carry around on a stolen scooter?


You get bigger ones, that was just the first video I came across.

In fact, they don't even need to be electrical, some of them are manually pumped.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
A decent battery angle grinder will have the same rev/torue as a mains one.

I cock a snoot at battery powered cars, but truth to tell, modern lithium cells can delivery shocking amounts of power.

Makita do (for example) 5.0Ah "18V" batteries.

I expect those will be 5 x 3.7V cells or nominally more like 18.5V, which when fully charged will actually be pumping out closer to 21V.

With a typical 20C discharge, that'll be 5 * 20 * 21 or 2.1kW. If you can find a 115mm mains grinder with a motor that draws more than 2kW, I'd be surprised.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newer ones are often sold as 20v - and in some cases the same ones are sold in the USA as that the 56v above is sold as 60v.

I've got 0.5kg 4s lipo that can deliver around 7.5kw.

There's now options for 9" grinders - but less suited to the scrotes' uses.
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