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 lilredmachine World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 21:24 - 16 Mar 2005 Post subject: Bit of a rant... |
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Probably in the wrong forum (didn't feel it belonged in the flame section as it isn't aimed at anyone ), but anyway...
FFS I don't care that bigger bikes are faster. The fact that Mr.C's bike has 187 HP and does 201 MPH does not matter to me.
I hate everyone saying 'oooohhhh... we don't care how fast your 50 cc scooter is' Really? even though that scooter may be much faster than other bikes in the same class? To be bluntly honest I couldn't give a shit how fast bigger bikes are, because the speed limit is 70 MPH and unless you are on a track (in which case it is cornering ability that matters most) you are breaking the law by using it at higher speed.
For example turbo hayabusa has 499 HP and everyone says wow. Why? Congratulations, go and kill yourself. A modified scooter has 8 hp compared to the 5 it started off with. Everyone says we don't care. Why? the top speed of the scooter that has been raised from 45 to 60 MPH has infinitely more relevance than the 'Busa that may do 240 MPH, up from 186 MPH, because you can use it legally.
Same with 125's
Arrogant pig shit gets flung everywhere on this forum.
Just how I feel... Feel free to tear me apart over this.
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More power is good. It makes overtaking easier Everyone breaks the speedlimit, whether they admit it or not...
I'm a bit confused as how to reply to your post. But i disagree with it... ____________________ chaff mans random tingz on loot
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erm...
my bike does 73 mph
ner ner
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 Posted: 21:38 - 16 Mar 2005 Post subject: Re: Bit of a rant... |
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You'll probably find most of the posts about bigger bikes being faster are aimed at 16-17 years olds who want to spend an absolute fortune making their 50cc or 125cc just that little bit faster. In reality, if you're going to move onto bigger bikes when you're older, it's false economy, which means they are only trying to advise you to save money and spend it wisely.
That, I'm afraid, only comes with experience, something which judging by the rant you started with you have had that much of.
I'm not taking the piss out of 50cc or 125cc bikes, I've had both in the past. But I didn't bother doing anything to make then faster because, what's the point?
It invalidates your insurance, can cause untold mechanical problems in the medium to long term. Whereas you could save the cash over a 12-24 month period and buy a bigger bike and have more fun.
Like I said, its just a case of experience. ____________________ Colin McRae MBE 1968 - 2007 RIP
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 mchaggis World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 21:43 - 16 Mar 2005 Post subject: Modifying mopeds/ ruining machines |
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I can't speak for anyone else, but here's my rant on the matter.
Scooters, bikes, whatever, who cares how fast they go? The only time anyone really cares is if they're specifically there to go fast.
All that matters to me is that it should be able to get to 80 without taking all day about it. My bike can't. We shouldn't care any more about scooters than we should care about superbikes.
Wow, a scooter does 60mph.. Big deal. Illegal too. I don't care how fast your scooter goes. I don't care how fast Mr. C's ZX12 goes. I am interested to see him breaking the 200 mph barrier, because that's of some symbolic significance.
A bike's a bike. Be they slow, fast, four stroke, two stroke, shiney, ratty, lime green, red, black, even yellow... They all have two wheels, they all have engines and they're all two fingers up to the society which expects everyone to drive cars. Bikes are created equal, just some are more equal than others.
Riders on the other hand, are not. Riders are people, and you get all the arseholes amongst riders as you do in any other walk of life. Generally I don't like arsehole people, be they riders or not. Arsehole people often have opinions and ideas, and one of those ideas is modifying a moped primarily by bolting on a whole pile of cack from Halfords, creating a nuisance and damaging the image of bikers everywhere.
If you can use your ingenuity to produce more horsepower with the engine of anything, and make the vehicle better at fulfilling its purpose, then it gets my approval. Covering a moped in neons and talking bullshit about it is not improving the vehicle.
Take that Lotus Esprit that was in the Photos section. Take one beautiful car, and wreck it. It's just wrong, just like stupid people with more money than sense wrecking and breaking new bikes. Many people put a lot of time and effort into designing and building a machine, to wantonly destroy it is criminal.
Deliberately wreck any machine and I'll be seriously unimpressed. ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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The ped I ride is a Honda PXR-50 packing an entire 1.5 HP. Be fearful.
Naaa, my ped doesn't get over 27 MPH so I don't go racing with it much.  ____________________ Bikes: too many, too much for one man to maintain anyway. |
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The fact is that people are not going to get excited about tuning a bike and getting 8bhp. Why? Because it's ludicriously easy to buy a bike on the market that will have more power. Now go out and try and find a bike to buy that has 499bhp.
You can't have a go at people for getting excited about power outputs... and then use one as an example Getting 499bhp out of a bike is a hell of an achievement. Whether people think it's relevent to everyday life, is irrelevent. The point is the engineering that achieved it. |
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| Silver wrote: | The fact is that people are not going to get excited about tuning a bike and getting 8bhp. Why? Because it's ludicriously easy to buy a bike on the market that will have more power. Now go out and try and find a bike to buy that has 499bhp.
You can't have a go at people for getting excited about power outputs... and then use one as an example  Getting 499bhp out of a bike is a hell of an achievement. Whether people think it's relevent to everyday life, is irrelevent. The point is the engineering that achieved it. |
Hmmm... It's turbo charged isn't it?
No biggee, now getting 1500 HP out of a 1.5 litre, back in the 80's, that was special. And getting it to last for 2 hours of racing, thats engineering. ____________________ Bikes: too many, too much for one man to maintain anyway. |
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Mate, get off your soapbox now. 50cc's are rubbish and I even bloody own one!!!  ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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Pretty much anyone bragging about what their bike can do, when they have no proof, bores me.
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| lilredmachine wrote: | I agree with that, It's just that turbocharging seems kind of a wussy way of getting 500 horses out of a 1.3 (is it?) I prefer supercharging. Besides my model car engine produces 2HP with 2cc which equates to 1000HP per litre (sure it has to rev to 35,000rpm to do it, but surely that is just engineering, non?). Why aren't you singing the praises of that? |
Turbocharging is supercharging. The only difference is the means of driving the compressor. Mechanically driven superchargers (lets just call them superchargers for ease of use) will only run as fast as you can gear the engine to make them run, and will work from a standstill. Turbine driven chargers (turbochargers) will run as fast as the bearings can take, provided you can design them to take full advantage of the exhaust gas flow.
As to which is wussy or not, that's just a bollocks argument. They both do the same job, with advantages and disadvantages attached to each. Horsepower is reasonably irrelevant. What actually matters is the definition of horsepower, which is torque multiplied by the rotational speed. How much torque you have at what engine speed is what counts, and is what you design your gearbox to suit.
We aren't singing the praises of remote control cars engines, because we aren't interested in them for the most part. I admire the engineering, but I'm not interested in remote control cars suitably to ever even come into contact with one to admire.
Producing 500 bhp from a 1300cc I4 engine is not wussy, no matter how you do it. That's assuming you can even do it. ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 21 years, 203 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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