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adrian1112
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: YBR125 Fuel Injected Hard to Start Cold Reply with quote

Hi All,

Adrian here and I'm (very Very Happy ) new to motorcycling so please be nice Very Happy. I recently bought a used 2011 reg YBR125 and it worked well for the first week or so but I'm now having trouble starting it.

Essentially, when starting the engine from 'cold' (left overnight), it takes several attempts to get the bike started. It takes 5-7 attempts of about 5 seconds each, it's turning over. I'm worried that this will ruin the starter motor eventually. Once the bike is started, I can immediately turn it off and starting is now easy (first time). I thought that maybe it's the spark plug so I've replaced it and I've charged the battery with an Oximiser 900. This has made no difference. If I leave it parked for a few hours, it will turn on fine on the first/max second attempt.

It's fuel injected and has no kickstart. When I turn the ignition on, I can hear the fuel pump whine and there are no engine fault codes flashing.

I don't know where I should go from here so thought I'd ask for advice before going to a workshop with it? Thanks Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you twisting the throttle when cold starting?
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Thanks for replying so soon! Smile

Yep, I twist it by about 1/4.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should not touch the throttle when starting from cold, see how it goes for now.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Are you twisting the throttle when cold starting?


Do you need to apply throttle? shouldn't the fuel injection system sense engine temp and adjust fuelling?

Or is it one of those wax type auto choke thingies?

I wouldn't think you need to apply throttle on start up, you don't do it in a car.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Re: YBR125 Fuel Injected Hard to Start Cold Reply with quote

adrian1112 wrote:
... I thought that maybe it's the spark plug so I've replaced it and I've charged the battery with an Oximiser 900. This has made no difference. If I leave it parked for a few hours, it will turn on fine on the first/max second attempt.


What did the spark plug look like? Black? Brown or white?

Did you test your battery voltage? And check for a voltage drop on pressing the starter? A regularly ridden bike with an OK battery shouldn't need external trickle charging.

Finally, my old ZZR, that became a bit of a struggle to start on the cold mornings, by a bit, I just needed slightly more choke. On doing the valve clearances, my exhaust clearances had tightened. Once they were all corrected, including some intake shims too, start up was a breeze. Have you check your clearances ever?
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr Dr , lets keep things simple for now!
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
jaffa90 wrote:
Are you twisting the throttle when cold starting?


Do you need to apply throttle? shouldn't the fuel injection system sense engine temp and adjust fuelling?

Or is it one of those wax type auto choke thingies?

I wouldn't think you need to apply throttle on start up, you don't do it in a car.


The starter button definitely doesn't do anything until I rotate the throttle, by about 1/8 of a twist when it will engage and start turning the starter motor so I assumed you need a bit of throttle? The Honda CBF125's I used on my CBT were similar in needing a bit of throttle during start Am I wrong though in thinking that?
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Re: YBR125 Fuel Injected Hard to Start Cold Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
adrian1112 wrote:
... I thought that maybe it's the spark plug so I've replaced it and I've charged the battery with an Oximiser 900. This has made no difference. If I leave it parked for a few hours, it will turn on fine on the first/max second attempt.


What did the spark plug look like? Black? Brown or white?

Did you test your battery voltage? And check for a voltage drop on pressing the starter? A regularly ridden bike with an OK battery shouldn't need external trickle charging.

Finally, my old ZZR, that became a bit of a struggle to start on the cold mornings, by a bit, I just needed slightly more choke. On doing the valve clearances, my exhaust clearances had tightened. Once they were all corrected, including some intake shims too, start up was a breeze. Have you check your clearances ever?


Spark plug looked brown but there weren't any deposits. I replaced it just in case seeing as they're so cheap.

Thanks guys for your help. This problem is really frustrating Mad
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

As my second post,
you may have a loose connection in the starter button casing.
Needs sorting.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
As my second post,
you may have a loose connection in the starter button casing.
Needs sorting.


Sounds like this if it NEEDS the throttle to be twisted before the starter button will even work.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you're right guys. I also gave the local Yamaha dealer a call and asked and they confirmed that I shouldn't need to touch the throttle at all when starting, he reckons it's something to do with the throttle body assembly.

Thinking back, about 1 week ago, I dropped the bike on to it's right hand side when trying to park it against a wall at home (in my defence, t's a bit of an acrobatics excercise as the gap is so narrow). I didn't think much of it at the time as it worked fine for a few days. Looks like I may've damaged the throttle body in that drop.

Looks like I'll have to get it into a shop as I'd have no idea what I'm doing, annoying as I'm skint from buying motorbiking stuff!! :/

Cheers for the help, hopefully I can get this fixed!
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

adrian1112 wrote:
Sounds like you're right guys. I also gave the local Yamaha dealer a call and asked and they confirmed that I shouldn't need to touch the throttle at all when starting, he reckons it's something to do with the throttle body assembly.

Thinking back, about 1 week ago, I dropped the bike on to it's right hand side when trying to park it against a wall at home (in my defence, t's a bit of an acrobatics excercise as the gap is so narrow). I didn't think much of it at the time as it worked fine for a few days. Looks like I may've damaged the throttle body in that drop.

Looks like I'll have to get it into a shop as I'd have no idea what I'm doing, annoying as I'm skint from buying motorbiking stuff!! :/

Cheers for the help, hopefully I can get this fixed!


No better place to learn. Take pictures and post them here, there's plenty of people that will be able to help. Post a location too, there may well be someone who'd be willing to give you a hand, generally for the price of a all-you-can-drink brews Thumbs Up

First place to start is to take off the switch gear, and have a nosey inside for anything loose.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
adrian1112 wrote:
Sounds like you're right guys. I also gave the local Yamaha dealer a call and asked and they confirmed that I shouldn't need to touch the throttle at all when starting, he reckons it's something to do with the throttle body assembly.

Thinking back, about 1 week ago, I dropped the bike on to it's right hand side when trying to park it against a wall at home (in my defence, t's a bit of an acrobatics excercise as the gap is so narrow). I didn't think much of it at the time as it worked fine for a few days. Looks like I may've damaged the throttle body in that drop.

Looks like I'll have to get it into a shop as I'd have no idea what I'm doing, annoying as I'm skint from buying motorbiking stuff!! :/

Cheers for the help, hopefully I can get this fixed!


No better place to learn. Take pictures and post them here, there's plenty of people that will be able to help. Post a location too, there may well be someone who'd be willing to give you a hand, generally for the price of a all-you-can-drink brews Thumbs Up

First place to start is to take off the switch gear, and have a nosey inside for anything loose.


Cheers! When people say bikers are friendly people, they're not kidding!! I'm based down in Central London though can get myself to most parts of London.

I've got an intensive training course most days but I'll have a play with it tomorrow and see what I can photograph of the throttle assembly. When I bought the bike, the throttle body (as in the whole tbing) rotates on the bar as the retention pin is missing - you have to push it really hard in order to do so. Hopefully removal should be easy

Anything I should look out for? I've bought a multimeter so I'll have to add to my armoury!
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

adrian1112 wrote:
Anything I should look out for? I've bought a multimeter so I'll have to add to my armoury!


Loose connections, broken connectors, snapped wires, green corrosion in connectors.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

£15 to fix it
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 24 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:


Cheers. I've ordered it and will fit it (or at least try to...) next week. I will post back with the result!

Thanks guys for the help so far!
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 25 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more question... I was going out this morning and it just wouldn't start at all despite about 10 attempts. I tried my first bump start so I put into the 2nd and literally walked with it (~5 mph) and let out the clutch out slightly and pressed the starter and it started first time. I didn't even need any throttle on this occasion.

The engine oil looks OK colour wise on the dip stick but could it just be old engine oil which makes the engine to stiff to turn by the starter motor without the assistance from me moving the bike? Yesterday and today are the coldest mornings since I've had the bike so oil will be at it's thickest??

I'll change the oil anyway but want to see if this theory makes any sense to people with experience?
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 25 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

adrian1112 wrote:
The engine oil looks OK colour wise on the dip stick but could it just be old engine oil which makes the engine to stiff to turn by the starter motor without the assistance from me moving the bike?


It's the absence of oil that will make the engine hard to turn over. Cold will increase resistance minimally an should be no bother for the starter motor. Changing the oil regularly is one of the best things you can do to prolong its life, though. I change the oil more often than specified in the user's manual.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 25 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your bike should have safety switches on the side stand, clutch lever and a neutral light, preventing start ups.
I suggest you read the handbook available in google.
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