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Cookiemonster...
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Tyre change to a loose wheel Reply with quote
There’s a garage a few miles away from me that does free tyre change to a loose wheel as long as the tyre is purchased from them.
I have no choice but to ride the bike there sadly- I have no car and public transport is too long.
Is there something that can help me take each wheel off one at a time?
So get there, remove front wheel with the help of the small tool/s to raise it, get new front tyre put on, put the front wheel back back on. Then do the same for the rear wheel. Then ride away.

Edit: I’ve found a “snap o jack” which is designed for raising the rear wheel off the ground at an angle for chain adjustment and lubrication but I wonder if it will allow removal of the rear wheel...
Something that can be used for the front wheel will be nice too...
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
You need pit stands, they're a pain to operate if there's only 1 of you. how much are you saving on loose wheels? I think I save a fiver each end, and for that money I'd rathe ride the bike in if it rolls.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
What’s the price difference between buying tyres from them with free fitting, or buying tyres online and taking them in for fitting?
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
BCF pro tips in this thread: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=163457

The people at the tyre changing place will have a good lol if you drop your bike on yourself and need them to save you. Razz Therefore I'd find somewhere to get the tyres fitted that does ride in ride out service for a reasonable price. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
The cheapest that anybody does is 18 pounds per tyre if the wheels are on the bike... So a saving of 36 pounds with every double tyre change
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cookiemonster14 wrote:
The cheapest that anybody does is 18 pounds per tyre if the wheels are on the bike

Apart from the places which do it for £10 per wheel. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is that £18 fee for tyres bought from them or for tyres you supply?
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
talkToTheHat wrote:
You need pit stands, they're a pain to operate if there's only 1 of you. how much are you saving on loose wheels? I think I save a fiver each end, and for that money I'd rathe ride the bike in if it rolls.

No reason to be difficult to use with just one person.
With some practice you can do it fine on a bike with no side stand, so you have to hop off the bike, hold the rear while grabbing the paddock placing it underneath and lifting the bike.
(See any club racing weekend Smile ).

With a side stand you can make it very easy and safe.
Place the bike just away from a wall so that if it tips a little too far to the right, the bar end will rest against the wall.
Add a brick, some books or other items under the paddock stand to raise the bike so it's just off vertical.
You can now lift the rear without having to hold the bike.
(Or - put the paddock stand under the bike while at an angle, apply light pressure, then stand the bike up before lifting properly with the paddock stand.)

Always use a rear stand first, before a front. (Front on it's own will see the bike fall over probably.)

Car axle stands can work well too - being careful they are secure etc, of course.

If you've got a garage with beams, car engine lift or other item you can hang the bike from, that can work well.

An Abba stand will let you do both ends with one stand.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cookiemonster14 wrote:
The cheapest that anybody does is 18 pounds per tyre if the wheels are on the bike... So a saving of 36 pounds with every double tyre change


How much is a taxi/uber/mate with a car?
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
For a little bit more than that you could get the kit to do it yourself - likely it'd be paid for with the savings you can get ordering tyres yourself.

(But you would of course need the tyre changing stuff ontop of the stuff to take a wheel off - and presuming you've not even taken a wheel off before, that's a good few things to learn in reality, probably.)
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've done wheel changes many times using the same principal as those snap-a-jack things, except by simply pushing the bike over towards the side stand until the wheel lifts and inserting a lump of wood.

You can use a car jack too in a similar fashion.

If anything, it's probably MORE stable than a mainstand, the three points of contact are more widely spread.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I've done wheel changes many times using the same principal as those snap-a-jack things, except by simply pushing the bike over towards the side stand until the wheel lifts and inserting a lump of wood.

You can use a car jack too in a similar fashion.

If anything, it's probably MORE stable than a mainstand, the three points of contact are more widely spread.
Same here, Push the bike over a little on the side stand and plonk a car axle stand under the opposite footrest bracket and the back wheel is now in the air. Bit of playing about with the axle stand position can get the same result with the front wheel.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Many bikes you can pop the pin out of the footrest and flip it over, put pin back in. Then put axle stands under the footrests to hold the bike up.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh sorry lol I didn't convey my query accross well. I already have an abba stand with a front lift arm Laughing and can remove both wheels fine at home. Also an uberX I have checked is £17-£24 one way Crying or Very sad

Ste wrote:
Is that £18 fee for tyres bought from them or for tyres you supply?

18 per wheel on the bike whereever you bought the tyres.
If the wheels are loose but youre buying the tyres elsewhere then that is also 18 per tyre as they don't work for free.


I was wondering if there was a quick portable solution to quickly take a wheel off myself when I got to the garage so I wouldn't have to pay for wheel removal. Thanks for the replies though.

I like Stinkwheel's idea- it seems the most barebones and quick. A piece of wood/car axle stand placed under where though? Also must have to be a bloody huge piece of wood?

Pete your idea is also very interesting but when you mean flip the footrest over is that to stop the footrest being pushed in? I was putting on aftermarket ones and I remember when I did them the wrong way it was locked in the outward position and wouldnt budge. Is this what you mean? That is very clever... I hope a pair of axle stands carryable in a standard 40litre rucksack. This idea only seems to work for the rear wheel though?
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 04 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cookiemonster14 wrote:


I like Stinkwheel's idea- it seems the most barebones and quick. A piece of wood/car axle stand placed under where though? Also must have to be a bloody huge piece of wood?


No, a short bit of 2x4". SOmetimes needs to be a different legth for the front and the back.

This has come up so many times, I thought I should go down to the lockup and do a video.

https://youtu.be/FLcSoE0ju7s

You could also use a car jack (scissor or bottle) and jack-up under the same places as I shoved the bits of wood.
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PostPosted: 03:08 - 05 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:


No, a short bit of 2x4". SOmetimes needs to be a different legth for the front and the back.

This has come up so many times, I thought I should go down to the lockup and do a video.

https://youtu.be/FLcSoE0ju7s

You could also use a car jack (scissor or bottle) and jack-up under the same places as I shoved the bits of wood.


Fantastic! Stinkwheel. Thank you Clapping You've gifted me with free tyre changes for life! Laughing
To the user who suggested tyre changes by myself... no chance lol. Been there, failed miserably, never again. Life is too short Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 05 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Cookiemonster14 wrote:


I like Stinkwheel's idea- it seems the most barebones and quick. A piece of wood/car axle stand placed under where though? Also must have to be a bloody huge piece of wood?


No, a short bit of 2x4". SOmetimes needs to be a different legth for the front and the back.

This has come up so many times, I thought I should go down to the lockup and do a video.

https://youtu.be/FLcSoE0ju7s

You could also use a car jack (scissor or bottle) and jack-up under the same places as I shoved the bits of wood.


Nice arse I mean awesome - gone the extra mile to help someone. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 06 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:

You could also use a car jack (scissor or bottle) and jack-up under the same places as I shoved the bits of wood.


One last thing- doesn't putting the whole weight of the bike on the side stand damage and bend the frame of the bike?
I used to do this thing where I turn the bike 180 degrees by leaning the bike on the sidestand pushing the the front wheel away from me (standing on the LHS of the bike). I did this all the time. Eventually the sidestand became loose and the bit of the frame it was on was bent in the direction all the weight was leaning on...
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 06 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cookiemonster14 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

You could also use a car jack (scissor or bottle) and jack-up under the same places as I shoved the bits of wood.


One last thing- doesn't putting the whole weight of the bike on the side stand damage and bend the frame of the bike?
I used to do this thing where I turn the bike 180 degrees by leaning the bike on the sidestand pushing the the front wheel away from me (standing on the LHS of the bike). I did this all the time. Eventually the sidestand became loose and the bit of the frame it was on was bent in the direction all the weight was leaning on...


Your answer is in your question: you did it all the time.
Stands are strong and designed to do the job but just like any other moving part they will wear out eventually.
What's being suggested here gives the bike 3 points of contact which lessens the full weight of the bike from the stand. Remember too that if the wood is placed closer to the stand it will reduce weight even more though does have the downside of reducing stability.
Answer? Fine for now and then!
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 06 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cookiemonster14 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

You could also use a car jack (scissor or bottle) and jack-up under the same places as I shoved the bits of wood.


One last thing- doesn't putting the whole weight of the bike on the side stand damage and bend the frame of the bike?.


Probably, but you're not doing that are you? Three points of contact remember..
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Ask them if you can have a quick use of their paddock stands. My local workshop uses stands for MOTs but proper bike lifts for servicing, so their paddock stands aren't in constant use. Best be competent with paddock stands and wheel removal if you're going to ask though.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Re: Tyre change to a loose wheel Reply with quote
Cookiemonster14 wrote:
There’s a garage a few miles away from me that does free tyre change to a loose wheel as long as the tyre is purchased from them.
I have no choice but to ride the bike there sadly- I have no car and public transport is too long.
Is there something that can help me take each wheel off one at a time?
So get there, remove front wheel with the help of the small tool/s to raise it, get new front tyre put on, put the front wheel back back on. Then do the same for the rear wheel. Then ride away.

Edit: I’ve found a “snap o jack” which is designed for raising the rear wheel off the ground at an angle for chain adjustment and lubrication but I wonder if it will allow removal of the rear wheel...
Something that can be used for the front wheel will be nice too...


This seems madness.

Surely the cost of buying whatever tools you're thinking about, to take the wheel off yourself outside the garage, will exceed just paying the garage to do it for you, not to mention the risk of potentially ballsing it up in front of everybody and time spent?

Just cough up and get them to do it all or buy the tools and do it yourself at home - its not hard to change a tyre, and at least doing it at home it'll be properly supported and not fall over and wreck your bike.

If multiple tyre changes are frequent then more of a reason to get the tools and do it properly at home IMO.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
At £18 per tyre if the wheels are on the bike, for 1p less you could buy some paddock stands.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorbike-Front-Head-Rear-Motorcycle-Bike-Paddock-Stand-Stands-Hook-Combo-DT/202304842179
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stinkwheel wrote:

This has come up so many times, I thought I should go down to the lockup and do a video.

https://youtu.be/FLcSoE0ju7s



You don't remember how long those two pieces of wood were do you Stinkwheel? I am about to go to my local builders supplies to buy a 3m 2x4 and have it cut down into pieces.
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Just pay the man and get on with riding. If you add all the costs up including your time at whatever rate you earn then the £18 isn't too bad and hassle free.
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