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PostPosted: 01:07 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Triumph, what the f*ck are they doing? Reply with quote

This is probably old news but I just went on the Triumph website for a nose and was shocked by the range (or lack of it) of bikes they now make.

There is the Street and Speed triples.The Tiger adventure bikes and the rest are the retro/hipster twins.

No Daytona (no sports bike at all), no Trophy or Sprint tourers, no Rocket 3, in fact nothing really exotic or groundbreaking at all.

Is it just Triumph or are other bike manufacturers drastically streamlining their range as well?
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you not read, the Rocket is about to be re-introduced this year, as for the rest, well, I suppose they'll only build what makes a profit for them, especially after the range had to go through the expense of becoming E4 compliant, no point in keeping the dead wood.

Alot of manufacturers have streamlined to varying degrees, as they amend their ranges with E4 compliant bikes, with some jut not being worth the time, effort and money to be made to comply.

I say E4, but, in many territories, environmental and other regulations have been, or are being introduced that match very closely.

Then, of course, in China especially, you have the push for electric vehicles, and they are way ahead of most other countries in that respect.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely agree, I went on their website over Christmas and felt exactly the same. There's no practical road bike on there unless you go for an adventure bike. The Sprint's gone, Daytona's gone, no more RS, even the Speed Triple has lost a lot of it's practicality. I have a 2002 Speed T and it has a decent pillion seat, some underseat storage, and a small luggage rack. As an everyday bike it's useable - I've strapped all sorts to it rather than take a car.
Now all the bikes are style first, weekend use only. Sad
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring back the competent all-rounder!
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Now all the bikes are style first, weekend use only. Sad

I'd argue that the majority of riders are weekenders these days and the sales figures demonstrate that. To be honest, who
wants to freeze, get soaked or die on their commute? You simply don't see that many bikes mixing it up in the rush hour
traffic anywhere but in major cities. But given a sunny Saturday you can sit in my back garden and hear bike after bike after
bike blasting along the nearby ringroad. If I did have to commute, then I would use the scoot, not the spacker.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Bring back the competent all-rounder!


Actually, if you took a 2010 Street Triple (can't comment on later ones), put a more substantial top fairing on it and a more substantial seat, you'd have a pretty competent all-rounder.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
Have you not read, the Rocket is about to be re-introduced this year, as for the rest, well, I suppose they'll only build what makes a profit for them, especially after the range had to go through the expense of becoming E4 compliant, no point in keeping the dead wood.

Alot of manufacturers have streamlined to varying degrees, as they amend their ranges with E4 compliant bikes, with some jut not being worth the time, effort and money to be made to comply.

I say E4, but, in many territories, environmental and other regulations have been, or are being introduced that match very closely.

Then, of course, in China especially, you have the push for electric vehicles, and they are way ahead of most other countries in that respect.


I'm not convinced by that argument because the engines for the Daytona, Sprint and Trophy are all compliant as they are used in their present range in one form or another.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


I'm not convinced by that argument because the engines for the Daytona, Sprint and Trophy are all compliant as they are used in their present range in one form or another.


In which case it simply means, they aren't commercially viable.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
2010 Street Triple (can't comment on later ones), put a more substantial top fairing on it and a more substantial seat, you'd have a pretty competent all-rounder.

Is that for a fat middle-aged arse? Smile Honestly the words Street Triple and all-rounder is how I'd describe the bike anyway. I think that's why people rave about them, as you can't really fault the bike, but it depends what you like and whether you find 'quirky' more fun.


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PostPosted: 12:18 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having ridden one, I'd actually call a Tiger sport a practical road bike. Despite how it looks, it does not ride like an adventure bike.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Triumph, what the f*ck are they doing? Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
This is probably old news but I just went on the Triumph website for a nose and was shocked by the range (or lack of it) of bikes they now make.

There is the Street and Speed triples.The Tiger adventure bikes and the rest are the retro/hipster twins.

No Daytona (no sports bike at all), no Trophy or Sprint tourers, no Rocket 3, in fact nothing really exotic or groundbreaking at all.

Is it just Triumph or are other bike manufacturers drastically streamlining their range as well?


I think things will change. Now that Triumph are supplying the engines for Moto2 they would be crazy not to make a Daytona. They are selling a lot of adventure and classic bikes but they have 'heritage' for those. Similarly, sports tourers are out of fashion, but the comparative success of the VFR800F, Z1000SX and Ducati Supersport might coax other manufacturers back into the Sports Tourer fold.

The issue that I see is the Hipster fad is due to die out soon, and at that time the flat brown seated brat bikes will all languish in showrooms. That's when you need a Sportsbike, a sports tourer and so on.

Triumph are one of the more canny manufacturers in terms of product development and product range. They have to be, as they don't have the resources of a Honda or Kawasaki, or even a BMW.

I have such confidence in Triumph that I'm certain they'll either make a ton of money with their current range when other manufacturers have as bunch of unfashionable bikes in their range, or they'll release some bikes they are lacking just in time for those segments to rebound.

Currently their major hole would probably be an electric bike if I'm honest...
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
2010 Street Triple (can't comment on later ones), put a more substantial top fairing on it and a more substantial seat, you'd have a pretty competent all-rounder.

Is that for a fat middle-aged arse? Smile Honestly the words Street Triple and all-rounder is how I'd describe the bike anyway. I think that's why people rave about them, as you can't really fault the bike, but it depends what you like and whether you find 'quirky' more fun.


My fat arse is now gone Very Happy
Just a middle-aged one now.
If they just put a comfortable seat on it in the first place...

Yeah, it's not terrible as an all-rounder. But wouldn't take much to make it even better.

I think it's quite sporty on the handling front, or would be if it had decent suspension (or perhaps if I could have been bothered to dial mine in properly Rolling Eyes ). Perhaps more sport focussed than anything else. I liked it because of that - my Fazer already did tourer better than a Striple ever could. And tbh, in some ways, handles better too, more planted, but still changes direction nicely, soaks up the bumps better. The Striple was flighty by comparison...as you'd expect really, being so much lighter.

The seat - well, I was really thinking seat/tail, something more luggage friendly, perhaps with a decent bit of storage underneath.
A top fairing would make a lot of difference - much more tolerable on motorways for e.g., and just general weather protection.

Oh, and give it a fuel gauge, along with maybe a slightly larger tank.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
If they just put a comfortable seat on it in the first place...

https://www.triumphworld.co.uk/buy/triumph-Street-Triple-Gel-Seat---Dual/hjpA9701179streettriple Smile

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I think it's quite sporty on the handling front, or would be if it had decent suspension (or perhaps if I could have been bothered to dial mine in properly Rolling Eyes ).

Was yours the standard or R model?
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was the R.
And I also bought a gel seat. It still wasn't great, a bit better. But why not just put a comfortable one on in the factory and be done with it? Not like the gel seat altered the look, or added significant weight.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Mine was the R.
And I also bought a gel seat. It still wasn't great, a bit better. But why not just put a comfortable one on in the factory and be done with it? Not like the gel seat altered the look, or added significant weight.


Mine is perfectly comfy. I toured around wales and the midlands last year, did 10 whole days on the bike out of a 15 day trip, and never found it uncomfortable.

I can see my VFR being less comfortable to be honest... But it does have quite a different riding position.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Mine was the R.
And I also bought a gel seat. It still wasn't great, a bit better. But why not just put a comfortable one on in the factory and be done with it? Not like the gel seat altered the look, or added significant weight.

I found the gel seat fine but never fitted the original back on so can't compare them. Hmm I thought the 'R' sorted the suspension issues by having the Daytona rear shock? Do people moan about the Daytona?

I think you're a suspension malcontent Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Mine was the R.
And I also bought a gel seat. It still wasn't great, a bit better. But why not just put a comfortable one on in the factory and be done with it? Not like the gel seat altered the look, or added significant weight.

I found the gel seat fine but never fitted the original back on so can't compare them. Hmm I thought the 'R' sorted the suspension issues by having the Daytona rear shock? Do people moan about the Daytona?

I think you're a suspension malcontent Very Happy


The R shock is somewhere between standard Street Triple and Daytona but should have a softer spring. It certainly suits me well.

I've had the springs changed in my forks, and new oil put in, it really helps. But other than that and setup the forks are standard, and it's probably the bike I've had the most confidence in bar my 600RR track bike.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm I thought the 'R' sorted the suspension issues having the daytona rear shock iirc? Do people moan about the Daytona?

I think you're a suspension malcontent Very Happy


I probably should have just dialled it in properly, as I said. It was still a great little bike, even with it set to "fucking solid".
I am spoiled by my Fazer suspension since upgrading it. I have never known anything so good in that department. You wouldn't think such a big, heavy bike could handle so beautifully, and still deal with just about every road surface it encounters with never an even mildly concerning moment.

@MarJay: yes, I have no doubt that, like the Fazer, the Striple is one of those bikes worth spending a little on to make it even better. But I'd already done that with the Fazer, which suits me more, and my funds were limited.
It's not that I wasn't confident in it - I ragged the shit out of it after all Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

I found the gel seat fine but never fitted the original back on so can't compare them.


Sounds like you're talking as if you haven't got the bike anymore?
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
M.C wrote:

I found the gel seat fine but never fitted the original back on so can't compare them.


Sounds like you're talking as if you haven't got the bike anymore?

Or the seat Smile The bike came with a new/standard seat which I flogged on eBay, I thought about swapping it with the gel seat but never did.
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M.C wrote:
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Sounds like you're talking as if you haven't got the bike anymore?

Or the seat Smile The bike came with a new/standard seat which I flogged on eBay, I thought about swapping it with the gel seat but never did.


Have you ridden it much? Haven't heard anything from you about it.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I finished fixing it during one of my breaks from the forum, which's probably why I finished it Smile I had to replace the loom... again Rolling Eyes, luckily the second one worked properly as I would have had a mental breakdown.

It's too cold to ride now, I'm happy jumping in the car and turning the heated seats up full Cool
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just Triumph. I've just been looking at Bennetts "All the new bikes of 2019" and I've never been less inspired.

I can honestly say that I don't fancy any of 'em.
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They're probably just being cautious for a bit. They've just posted an over 60% loss in profit despite increased turnover and attributed it solely to exchange rates, which aren't likely to improve in the very near future.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope we don't see any Eastern Europe made Triumph's as a result of this though?

Regards 2019's bikes being uninspiring, well I'd have to agree there, and Im unqualified to comment as I probably don't know what half of them are?

If I had to buy a new bike, well theres a couple of Italian bikes and a few supermotos I like the look of.

But Japanese stuff? The 400 Ninja would do me as an all rounder if it didn't look so H2 ugly. Or the Z650 twin maybe? I like the retro Z900 and the RD900LC Yamaha MT09 based bikes, though neither have the look spot on as std.

I can see some potential in the Honda CBR650 for fun and personalisation too, ditto the CB1100. I'd generally avoid full on sports bikes with a passion now at least new ones, and I'd rather have a decent retro over a huge adventure bike, overpowered off roader, or super naked with electronic modes and shit. All my choices are old men bikes! Laughing

Oh and the new Suzuki Katana is laughable. It looks nothing like a Katana, doesnt have a shiny silver engine or clip on bars, so I'm very much out! I don't buy this almost make a retro copy but put high bars on it, because the old bastards we're try to get to buy one can't ride it otherwise. A full retro copy or nothing is my preference.
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