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 Posted: 19:42 - 21 Feb 2019 Post subject: Washed bike, now it wont start... |
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Ive always thought that using a pressure washer is a big no no, so ive always used a normal hose on the cone setting, today no different.
Usually when I go to start the bike and turn ignition on the following happens:
1. LCD illuminates and shows mileage or 'CHEC' if im in gear or side stand is down and not in neutral
2. Fuel pump goes click click click until primed
3. Engine starts
However since washing the bike the following happens:
1. LCD BACKLIGHT illuminates but the display is blank
2. Neutral light illuminates when in neutral, no other lights illuminate (usually the FI/check engine light is red until the bike is started)
3. Headlight, horn, signals work, starter works (engine turns over)
4. Bike wont start. No priming sound from the fuel pump. No error codes on the display
As I was cleaning the wheels I could hear an intermittent slight hissing sound periodically, near the battery. I figured it was just some kind of engine vent due to the slight changes in temperature.
All ive done so far is remove the battery terminals which made the hissing sound stop, then lost all daylight to diagnose further. So the hissing was electrical in nature. No smoke, no smells of burnt wires/plastic.
Any ideas? I googled the problem for my particular bike and i could only find one other guy who had similar symptoms and turned out to be a popped fuse for the fuel pump. Seems odd that would make the LCD display blank though?
Bike is a suzuki c800 fuel injected model or Suzuki Boulevard C50 in the states.
I feel like an idiot but id assume all bikes could handle a hose on cone setting, thats about the same as a torrential rain storm and you would expect the bike to be able to deal with that.
My thoughts are it cant be the clutch switch or side stand switch because as I said before, if either of those are in effect the LCD shows 'CHEC', until you pull the clutch in and raise the side stand. ____________________ To shreds you say? Tss tss tss |
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If someone has nothing to do tonight and wouldn't mind helping me out I found the wiring diagram here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s4yjefpc2w928xm/c50_repair_manual.pdf?dl=0
Skip to page 633. I have no idea what I'm looking at, all I can kind of decipher is that the only thing linking a lack of LCD display, no oil/temp idiot lights illuminating and no fuel pump power is the ECM.
I still dont know why it came to life just once though and hasnt done since. The only other thing I found out is if I have the ignition on and plug in the gauge cluster, all lights flash for a split second, so I know the gauge cluster itself is not at fault. ____________________ To shreds you say? Tss tss tss |
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I know you said you checked the connector to the cluster ,but did you check each wire going int and out of it, dont know the year of your bike but if it lit up before it looks like a dodgy wire, maybe even broken, try wiggling the connector as the ignition is on, just to test that.Has your bike had a recall, only saw this while looking
https://www.arfc.org/complaints/2004/suzuki/vl800/electrical_system/problem.aspx |
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Some more thoughts, all a bit random. See what you think.
Assuming the battery terminals are clean, it's not the battery because you've tried jump-starting from a car battery (-which was hopefully known to be good). Ignoring some other signs, does this non-starter have a good level of fuel in it?
Hissing could have been the battery venting, perhaps?
My bike used to make noises as water drained from the fuel cap surround. Your noise stopped when you disconnected the battery, but maybe you just disturbed a water channel while working in the vicinity.
It seems very unlikely that an ECU could be damaged so easily, and I'd expect a fuse to blow first.
The LCD backlight is probably on the lighting circuit, not so the readout. The starter is possibly on a separate circuit from the ignition, not so the fuel pump. It looks like anything on the ignition circuit is out of action, everything else is working. I think some bike's kill switches leave the lights on, some others kill the lot. Give the kill switch a blast of contact cleaner, give it some flicks and then blow it out. You might have to open it up to clean it properly but it's fiddly. Give the key switch a few clicks to see if the dash readout is intermittent due to a worn barrel. |
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FUCKING YES! Fucking found the problem.
Had the tank off, removed and cleaned every coupler, inspected the rectifier.
Then I looked behind the fuse box, noticed one red wire was snapped. Figured they do that at the factory because it looked like it was feeding into one of the two 'spare fuse' holders in the box, so obviously doesnt connect to anything.
Thats when I sliced and peeled back the main harness just to be sure, funnily enough a broken red wire is inside.
I was so, so close to giving up, but i figured I may as well bridge the wire with some speaker wire and see if the entire bike ignites itself.
Sure enough, flicked it on, WEEEEEEEEEEE pump kicks in, dash showing that lovely mileage display.
So fucking pleased Ive spent 2 1/2 days troubleshooting the stupid thing and Im really proud of myself for finding it since im useless with electrics.
Thanks everyone for your help, here it is:
https://i.imgur.com/D2LBycJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QwKRwhh.jpg
Still no idea why it had snapped, the others look fine. Sounds silly but could a mouse or rat have done it? I packed it away in the garage in November, pulled it out, fired it up to change the oil the other day, put it back, then it wouldnt start. ____________________ To shreds you say? Tss tss tss |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 156 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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