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[doggone]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415

I wonder if it will be applied to bikes, no doubt they'd like to but it would make leaning through corners very hazardous - probably should ban bikes then - no longer compatible with traffic flows and safety targets.

[ThunderGuts]

Not convinced it'll be quite as draconian as the title suggests;

[Polarbear]

I read somewhere the plan was that once people got used to the technology they would get rid of the manual over ride and have it active all the time.

Also with manufacturers like Volvo limiting all their cars to 112mph the writing is on the wall for total big brother control of our driving habits.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-geneva-volvocars/volvo-to-limit-car-speeds-in-bid-for-zero-deaths-idUKKCN1QL11C

I really don't think this bodes well for motorcycling. I foresee BHP limits at the very least if not an aim towards a total ban of bikes. sadly, even if we leave the EU it is already stated we will implement the same rules as they do.

Bye bye riding and driving for enjoyment.
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[doggone]

I can see creeping enforcement such as only speed limited vehicles allowed on motorway, then limited only on dual carriageway etc.
This will be a useful way to gradually discourage use of bikes which probably aren't compatible with the system.

[The Shaggy D.A.]

You just know that insurance on non limited vehicles will get prohibitive. It's bad enough driving the work van that's limited to 65, having the fucking thing kill my speed in a 30/40/50 too will make me want to ram more people than I do already
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[grr666]

So, when a car passes under a motorway bridge with a 30 road going over the top of of it will it momentarily
(like just about every gps nav ever) think I am on that 30 road while I am driving along the motorway and then
cut the power accordingly? Don't fancy that halfway through overtaking a Volvo. Just like lane "assist" this is all just
being groomed toward self driving cars. Wanting no part of the latter I shall resist the change with both heels dug
in and will adopt this tech when I have absolutely no other option and not a moment before. Btw, I've noticed that
on a variety of nav units over a number of years they often have the wrong speed limit for the road I'm driving on
displayed. I think the tech is still a bit sketchy tbh. Can't wait for all the clever bastards literally driving like they
are in dodgems, foot to the floor the whole time letting the system regulate their speed. Terrifying.
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[MarJay]

I don't think we need to worry yet. Autonomous vehicles WILL result in humans not being allowed to control any vehicle any more. It will take a while, but it will happen.

The European Commission has said that bikes aren't compatible with this type of speed limiter, and it might even be dangerous. THis means that they will likely end up making it harder to ride bikes over the long term. It doesn't matter too much because what young person wants to emulate Charley Boorman really?

When I were a lad, I wanted to emulate the local hooligan on his ZXR750 but I don't see that happening so much these days, especially with the license being more difficult to get and so on.

Anyway I digress. The car thing is overridable, and there will be a cottage industry building up for permanently disabling them. So until the Euro MOT comes in where we all have to have the limiter tested I think we'll keep getting away with it. Also in the short term it might result in a bit of a boost for motorcycling.

This is all not even considering Brexit, which assuming it goes ahead in ANY form will mean we don't need to follow these legal regulations. We will need to follow product and standards for export to the EU but I assume we won't have to follow the domestic legal regulations.

However, the MAIN risk to us, will be manufacturers who can't be bothered to create new models just for the UK... Although I assume it's a software change that might be quite simple, so we might be OK.
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[Sister Sledge]

I shat my pants when I heard it on the news today. To be fair I'd predicted it but hadn't heard it trundling along.

I do think it'll have some serious safety implications for some maneuvers.
Personally I'd like to know the real figures for accidents where speed was the ONLY contributing factor - it won't be a huge amount.

Of note too is the fact that leccy vehicles are being pushed onto us, I expect the technology will be more part of the vehicle electronics and difficult to bypass.
I do see a potential black market for signal scramblers. China will already have a ship full on its way to Europe..

The more crap the government land onto us, the more it's urging me to ditch my current vehicle and buy an old Peugeot and run it on used chip oil. I'd avoid certain regulations on construction too - a win methinks.

Finally, if we do leave the EU (fully) you can guarantee that the UK will follow most of their rules anyway. Why? Because they're lazy and can't think for themselves - far easier to go with the general flow.
(bastards)
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[Baffler186]

I'm not going to worry, I will keep my older cars and bikes until I have no option but to get a newfangled nanny state car. By which time I'll probably be too old to drive fast. If it's imposed on older vehicles, it won't work. If insurances prices people out of older unrestricted vehicles then I'll decide at the time whether I'm prepared to pay the high premiums or not.

I am also sceptical about speed being a factor. A good driver going at 80 is still safer IMHO than a bad driver going at 50
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[Evil Hans]

[Suntan Sid]

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[Tankie]

Speed limiter , then " you have no tax / current MOT / insurance your vehicle is being immobilised ".
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[Sister Sledge]

I could be wrong but it seems that transport is regressing: Almost back to the days of a bloke in front waving a red flag. Petrol vehicles being phased out too - I'll be buying fuel from my chemists soon..

EDIT: I do not trust government. I reckon they'd likely use this spy in vehicles to fine us as we drive - literally live fining.
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[Tankie]

+ 1 , the powers that be will be watching every move
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[Easy-X]

Gonna be a big interest in "classic" vehicles come 2022!
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[Tankie]

I'm already there, nothing newer than 1997
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[Tankie]

Mine start in 1947 , so I've just circumnavigated that one.
OH! and I get free travel in London
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[iooi]

[kawakid]

Just a counter thought,

I used to be a very quick rider, I literally went one year, with never been overtaken ever.

I got more confident and ultimately faster and faster, lunchtime rides were full on as were summer evenings and weekends.

I ended up binning my bike, because I rode like a dxck, I injured my hand and my arm was 1 big scab.

Now I still go out, but I have massively slowed down, I still like the bends, but now I actually like the view and as my rides are West and North Yorkshire, I am absolutely blessed with scenery.

Maybe i'm just getting old.
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[Bhud]

I reckon this is a pretty serious and adverse development.

I found this on the BMF website (https://www.bmf.co.uk/news/show/bmf-response-intelligent-speed-assistance):

[B0ndy]

Is speed really the issue? I'm more worried about people who fail to indicate, dick around with their phones while driving, drive below the speed limit and under confident drivers.
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[iooi]

[Polarbear]