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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Alloy sump plug thread stripped. Urgent! (FIXED) Reply with quote

Well, posting here 'cos it's probably a problem for bikes too, but it's actually on my van.

Decided to change the oil myself, drained the oil, and the plug was tight all the way out. Now it's drained, I can see there's a nice alloy spring (displaced) in the hole, and a couple of intact threads at the top (inside end) of the hole.

I'm thinking of pulling out the stripped thread, and gently screwing a sparking plug in there, and holding it at the outer end with some epoxy, or even RTV silicone, temporarily. Good idea/bad idea/any other ideas?

If anyone knows a supplier of repair kits (tap/oversize plug) in the MK area, I'd love to hear about it. I need to use my van!

ARGH!


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PostPosted: 18:12 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do, make sure that the plug you put in can't work itself loose and dump the oil.... Not only will that kill the engine, it will probably kill a biker riding onto the resulting oil slick.

I know YOU know this, but some random reader may not.... Unlikely - but possible.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What ever you try to epoxy in there to create a seal, it’ll have to be thoroughly de greased for the stuff to adhere.
You could try to fold into a tube some aluminium foil, thickness will depend on how chewed up the thread is and wind in the plug perhaps.
Good luck!
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

BusterGonads wrote:
Whatever you do, make sure that the plug you put in can't work itself loose and dump the oil

Yes. I'm just going out to see how many threads are left. Grr (cough National) grr!
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to machine mart.

Buy this: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-cht800-drain-plug-thread-repair-kit/

Use it.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-cht800-drain-plug-thread-repair-kit/

Thanks, that was the general idea, but need a bodge for tomorrow. Nearest MM is in bldy Luton. Got 3 threads left in hole.

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PostPosted: 19:57 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

B&Q. 1mtr of dowel.

Sand the end to a taper.

Your epoxy of choice. (I'd pick up the fast setting one when getting the dowel)

Brake Clean the plug hole as clean AF.

Slobber the mixed epoxy on your prepared dowel.

Ram/Screw the hoowur in using a pipe wrench/vice-gripes/big pliers.

Light a couple of candles to St. Joseph (Patron Saint of Bodging)

Fill sump and forget.

I've seen loads of shit held together with worserer.

It's a sort of African/Former Socialist Republic bodge/permanent repair.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are not getting that van into a safe condition to drive until you fix the hole properly. So it looks like you're riding to Luton first thing in the morning.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, I've got some spring toggles (for fixing stuff to plasterboard).
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
You are not getting that van into a safe condition to drive until you fix the hole properly.

No transport at the moment. Might be able to get someone to go, I suppose. I might go and see if the local garage will lend for a payment & big deposit. I doubt it. I ain't pushing the thing there though.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

got a halfords closer?


https://www.halfords.com/motoring/car-parts/engine-parts/sump-plug-sump-pan/halfords-universal-sump-plug-hfx693?istCompanyId=b8708c57-7a02-4cf6-b2c0-dc36b54a327e&istFeedId=367c5610-f937-4c81-8609-f84582324cd6&istItemId=rwxatrqr&istBid=t&_$ja=tsid:94971|cid:868641090|agid:42483198623|tid:aud-297219198129:pla-330303157881|crid:203456298918|nw:g|rnd:6043576492803335273|dvc:c|adp:1o1|mt:|loc:1006891&gclid=CjwKCAjw-ITqBRB7EiwAZ1c5U10di9GVfmIzrkYu3Ytm5runGfMC2nMubALoPIyPjpYWQLRi4sUjNhoCjigQAvD_BwE
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Van?
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:


Wow! That is so horriffic I can't believe it's actually a thing.

Do it!
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
virus wrote:
got a halfords closer?



Wow! That is so horriffic I can't believe it's actually a thing.

Do it!


whats the worst that can happen? Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Git Racing wrote:
What Van?

Scudo 2L. Alloy sump, M14x1.25 thread.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 31 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
got a halfords closer? (Halfords thing)

Wow. It looks a bit better than a plasterboard fixing. Might get me to Luton and back.... might get to Heathrow & back...
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 01 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever bodge you do, I'd be starting to look on eBay for a replacement sump. You'll probably need a new gasket too.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 01 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had this problem before. I tried various "solutions" (although not a helicoil or rethread) and none of them worked. It just resulted in a mess. Oil always finds a way. Buy a replacement sump and sump gasket. Before you do so, check you can reach all the allen bolts from underneath.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 01 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Alloy sump plug thread stripped. Urgent! (fixed) Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
(stripped sump plug thread)


I borrowed (from the local garage!) a sparking-plug repair kit, which contained a stepped M14x1.25 tap (14mm section to guide, plus larger diameter section to cut thread for helicoil), plus a helicoil insert and a helicoil installation tool.

Worked well. Job done.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 01 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now wasn't that easy!
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 01 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
Now wasn't that easy!


It was l the scrabbling about to get the required both fast and near that was the problem. Various bodges would have ensued this afternoon. Favourite possible beer tin or plasterboard fixing.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 02 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Riejufixing"]
Tankie wrote:
Now wasn't that easy!


It was l the scrabbling about to get the required both fast and near that was the problem. Various bodges would have ensued this afternoon. Favourite possible beer tin or plasterboard fixing.[/quote

I'm shocked that no one suggested Sillycunt Sealant. Thinking
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 02 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Alloy sump plug thread stripped. Urgent! (fixed) Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
(stripped sump plug thread)


I borrowed (from the local garage!) a sparking-plug repair kit, which contained a stepped M14x1.25 tap (14mm section to guide, plus larger diameter section to cut thread for helicoil), plus a helicoil insert and a helicoil installation tool.

Worked well. Job done.


I’d be mega careful in future - not usually that many threads on a sump compared with a spark plug socket? Easy to mash up?
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 02 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having never done this to any vehicle why is it a rather common problem?

Lack of 'feel' for when it's tight enough?
Trying to stop a drip because new washer was not acquired?
Turning forcefully the wrong way when trying to remove it?
Thinking
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 02 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Having never done this to any vehicle why is it a rather common problem?

Lack of 'feel' for when it's tight enough?
Trying to stop a drip because new washer was not acquired?
Turning forcefully the wrong way when trying to remove it?
Thinking


Because the garages don't remove them to drain the oil on cars/vans. They suck it out through the dipstick hole then refill it again (leaving all the sludge in the bottom of the engine).

So by the time you've stopped dealer servicing them, they have had 5+ years to electrochemically weld themselves to the alloy and the thread comes out with the plug because you're the first person to touch it since the assembly line when it was put in dry.
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