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PostPosted: 10:23 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Two motorcyclists jailed etc. Reply with quote

I'm not sure how up to date this is (being the one and only BT news feed Wink ) but when will people learn that recording your stupidity is stupid and liable to get you in a whole world of sh1t!

https://home.bt.com/news/two-motorcyclists-jailed-for-shocking-driving-at-speeds-of-nearly-200mph-91364414318046
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got what they deserved, actually, probably less than they deserved
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I agree, but it still stands that stupidly filming anything that can be used against you is a product of this social media generation.

Like those people who made the cardboard Grenfil towers or people filming themselves bullying others. It always comes out somewhere, especially if you want to be a politician Laughing

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PostPosted: 13:02 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
stupidly filming anything that can be used against you is a product of this social media generation.

I bet the lad on the bike in front of the cameraman was really chuffed with his mate...
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Oh I agree, but it still stands that stupidly filming anything that can be used against you is a product of this social media generation.

Like those people who made the cardboard Grenfil towers or people filming themselves bullying others. It always comes out somewhere, especially if you want to be a politician Laughing

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Especially when you then post it on youtube/facebook to show your friends how badass you are :]
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 01 Dec 2019    Post subject: Jailed Reply with quote

Not sure if Jail was deserved really,when i watch the police tv snows occasionally, neary none of the stars of the show get jail time ,stealing /crashing a car and unprovoked assults,burglary etc seem to get suspended sentences ,unless they are seriois repeat offenders.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recordings provided police with the simplest of evidence. I agree recording such videos is not wise at all.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recordings provided police with the simplest of evidence. I agree recording such videos is not wise at all.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
...stupidly filming anything that can be used against you is a product of this social media generation...


Certainly seems that way. Back in the good old days, when you did something stupid you just laughed about it with the mates that were there and then exagerated it when you told other mates.
Simpler times.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:

I bet the lad on the bike in front of the cameraman was really chuffed with his mate...


Indeed. It's a discussion we've had to have in our bike club since the advent of people filming and uploading ride-outs.

The uploaded footage need to contain nothing identifying other riders breaking road traffic laws. If ANY of the uploaded footage shows such behaviour (even if the person is not identifiable), the entirity of the original footage also needs to be erased or irreversably edited because the uploaded content can be used to obtain a search warrant to seize the originals.

This is not tinfoil hat stuff!

There is the excellent real-life cautionary tale of the member on here who after uploading footage of him messing around on the cat and fiddle, had his door kicked in first thing in the morning and all his computer gear seized under a search warrant. The police then had free rein to carry out a fishing expedition of every bit of footage present on those computers, cameras and SD cards!

He was (much) later let off with a warning. The police having informed him that they had been reading his posts about the incident (on here, yes guys, the police do read this forum) and had been impressed by his contrite attitude.

Then there is the whole issue of people skiving off work to go on runs...
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Re: Two motorcyclists jailed etc. Reply with quote

"Nearly 200mph" according to the speedos, we presume.
But obviously they and the hundreds of others innocent people close are dead now, of course! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid is as stupid does.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that no actual harm was caused, the sentencing seems a bit much, in comparison with drunken drivers killing people, who never seem to have to do time.

Here's a more entertaining example of a twit being caught out by their own dashcam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ya5rOeZb8

Guy's definitely not right in the head. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Given that no actual harm was caused, the sentencing seems a bit much, in comparison with drunken drivers killing people, who never seem to have to do time.

Here's a more entertaining example of a twit being caught out by their own dashcam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ya5rOeZb8

Guy's definitely not right in the head. Laughing


Might as well try and join them Laughing Then he can do it legitimately.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Headcams Reply with quote

People often forget that though a camera of some sort may be a helpful tool in the case of a none fault accident, they can be used against you and at any time they can be requested for viewing by the police much like a random stop and search.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Headcams Reply with quote

Calumh96 wrote:
People often forget that though a camera of some sort may be a helpful tool in the case of a none fault accident, they can be used against you and at any time they can be requested for viewing by the police much like a random stop and search.

If they're going to go out and do moronic stuff on the roads, they deserve what they get, and no amount of stupid juvenile whining alters that. It might be considered a great pity that the two in the OP did not smash themselves into something solid and cease to be a problem.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Headcams Reply with quote

Calumh96 wrote:
at any time they can be requested for viewing by the police much like a random stop and search.



Please quote the legislation to support your legislation. PACE only comes into play once arrested or a court order has been obtained.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Headcams Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Please quote the legislation to support your legislation. PACE only comes into play once arrested or a court order has been obtained.


At any time police may REQUEST to view your dashcam footage. This is a tactic often used in their position of power where people believe they cannot refuse to provide this. You are completely with-in your rights to refuse anything of the sort other than Documents such as ID or insurance.

However in any case where they believe it may have probative value they will request and/or present you with a warrant to view your footage. In cases where it is clear an offence has been committed and your footage is the evidence they will not to get it. In cases where they believe the evidence may be destroyed before they obtain a warrant they do have some rights to remove it.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can request to view whatever footage you've got on your camera and you can politely turn down their request. Laughing

Random stop and search? Eh?

A police officer has powers to stop and search you if they have ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect you’re carrying illegal drugs, a weapon, stolen property or something which could be used to commit a crime. https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights

They can stop and search you without having reason subject to Section 60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 which gives police the right to search people in a defined area during a specific time period when they believe, with good reason, that: serious violence will take place and it is necessary to use this power to prevent such violence; or that a person is carrying a dangerous object or offensive weapon; or that an incident involving serious violence has taken place and a dangerous instrument or offensive weapon used in the incident is being carried in the locality.

Those temporary section 60 powers have to be authorised by a senior officer, Assistant Chief Constable or above.

Basically, none of it is done at random.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Headcams Reply with quote

Calumh96 wrote:
In cases where they believe the evidence may be destroyed before they obtain a warrant they do have some rights to remove it.

If they've got grounds for arrest then they're in business, otherwise they're shit out of luck. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Headcams Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Calumh96 wrote:
In cases where they believe the evidence may be destroyed before they obtain a warrant they do have some rights to remove it.

If they've got grounds for arrest then they're in business, otherwise they're shit out of luck. Laughing


Yep.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A uniformed police officer can stop a vehicle at any time without having or giving a reason.

The "reasonable grounds" test still applies to the search part and being in posession of a face they do not like the look of or seeming a little shifty are not "reasonable grounds". An objective reason needs to be present, even if it is fairly tenuous.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
A uniformed police officer can stop a vehicle at any time without having or giving a reason.

The "reasonable grounds" test still applies to the search part and being in posession of a face they do not like the look of or seeming a little shifty are not "reasonable grounds". An objective reason needs to be present, even if it is fairly tenuous.


But you can still refuse. Then they'll arrest you...
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