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PostPosted: 09:45 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: We need more of this .. Reply with quote

It's not often I'll praise West Midlands Police, but on this occasion, I most definitely do....

https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandspolice/videos/1069546343392656/?t=24
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: We need more of this .. Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
It's not often I'll praise West Midlands Police, but on this occasion, I most definitely do....

https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandspolice/videos/1069546343392656/?t=24


A suspended prison sentence. Thank you courts, I'm sure that will deter him. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: We need more of this .. Reply with quote

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linuxyeti wrote:
It's not often I'll praise West Midlands Police, but on this occasion, I most definitely do....

https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandspolice/videos/1069546343392656/?t=24


A suspended prison sentence. Thank you courts, I'm sure that will deter him. Rolling Eyes


I agree, suspended sentence is shit, but, at least the police didn't give up, stopped him, and, he's at least lost the bike. Some decent riding by the police rider, riding that hulk around chasing and keeping up with the off roader.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do the police offers maintain their cool after such a pursuit ?
the temptation to give the scrote a right good spanking must be extreme.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly yet again a knobhead has shown bikers/bike riders in a bad light.
Secondly a bike has been crushed Crying or Very sad , that could have lived its twilight years in my nice warm garage and only come out to play when the Sun shone.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
how do the police offers maintain their cool after such a pursuit ?
the temptation to give the scrote a right good spanking must be extreme.


Rest assured some do.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'd been caught doing 80mph in a 30 limit on my taxed, insured, MOTed bike with a full licence and had stopped immediately. I'd have been given a 4-figure fine, 6+points a ban and most likely actual jail time.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pah! Would have preferred to see some "tactical contact" action. Fear of prison seems to have no impact on crime. Fear of being mashed up and quattrospazzed does seem to affect the stats.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
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how do the police offers maintain their cool after such a pursuit ?
the temptation to give the scrote a right good spanking must be extreme.


Rest assured some do.


There is a very clear instruction in the riders manual to not let the chase interfere with your roadcraft.

It's conditioning and learned behaviour.

Plus they're on their bikes everyday. (Or in a car).

I was sooooo disappoint the prick with the Biro on his neck didn't spazingo himself.
They crushed the wrong thing IMHO.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there's a use for all that gymkhana stuff, after all.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work by the local police, well done guys! Thumbs Up
I hope they also stopped the others before they killed anyone and crushed their bikes too! I agree with Polar bear that a short prison sentence should have been mandatory, and they should be paying the days wages to those Cops at least.

Now onto the riding facilities argument. Well nobody is or should be mandated to provide an off road place to ride for people with non road legal bikes. But there's a little but!

Some off road bikes are not MX machines and thus are not allowed on MX tracks and for many good reasons too. Some are not road legal, and can't be registered as they don't meet type approval. Now there is a small demand for responsible people who have fully legal means to transport said bikes to an off road facility to ride them.

There is just a few true pay and play sites around, and they are not evenly located around the country. People like me would pay circa £30-40 for a large place to ride for a day, to practice off road riding, and test a bike out etc. If said facility had a secure car park, a snack wagon and a jet wash then it would be even better.

I know that there's nothing to stop a private land owner (public complaints aside) to allow permission for own risk riding if they wanted to, and I believe that even if they charge a fee they have no liability whatsoever too which is exactly how it should be.

But getting to the point, not everyone has an MX bike or can ride MX. And not everyone who owns even a whisper quiet fully road legal bike, wants to put in a long day of road riding miles to find 1-2miles of sporadic green lanes at best.

I once saw some guys with trials bikes who were practicing on Bodmin Moor, in a pretty quiet place that I'd spent over an hour hiking to reach from a car park. They were riding illegally and I know how wrong it is.

But they IMO hadn't ruined the Moorland for 100's of years, or frightened animals, dog walkers, children or run anyone over. My friends from the area had a right go about them when I told them what I saw, and while I understand why and the fact that it's breaking the law, I felt for the guys riding the bikes who weren't really hurting anyone.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that wouldn't it be nice to have a few isolated areas that are a free for all for people who want to practice sports, and hobbies. Be it riding motorcycles, mountain bikes, flying model aeroplanes, driving Land rovers, or other stuff like hang gliding, microlighting, messing around in power boats etc etc.

I know I'm the most unrealistic twat for wishing the above, but the right to roam and the right to enjoy leisure pursuits at the weekends in the countryside was a wonderful thing once.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I know that there's nothing to stop a private land owner (public complaints aside) to allow permission for own risk riding if they wanted to, and I believe that even if they charge a fee they have no liability whatsoever too which is exactly how it should be.

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Regardless of if they charge a fee or if they insist people sign whatever disclaimers / waivers, the owner is still liable for anything that goes wrong as a result of their negligence
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
stevo as b4 wrote:
I know that there's nothing to stop a private land owner (public complaints aside) to allow permission for own risk riding if they wanted to, and I believe that even if they charge a fee they have no liability whatsoever too which is exactly how it should be.

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Regardless of if they charge a fee or if they insist people sign whatever disclaimers / waivers, the owner is still liable for anything that goes wrong as a result of their negligence


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PostPosted: 19:24 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ That's interesting because I know of a land owner who allows folk to use a grass field he has. Charges a tenner per bike. He doesn't allow full sized machines on - it's aimed at those parents who buy their little kid a quad or small petrol powered bike for Xmas. He's probably running more risk of problems by doing so!
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it's not legal to hold a public event on private land without authority.

IOPD.org.uk wrote:
Q: Is it a criminal offence to be involved with a competitive/aggressive recreational Auto leisure activity or Auto Sport where the public are present?
A: Yes. Unless the Event is “Authorised” (see below for full definition of the term Authorised)

Q: Does this include purpose built Circuits and Stadiums?
A: Yes. Unless the Event is “Authorised”

Q: Is it a criminal offence to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on private land, where the public are present, without a licence, underage or whilst being disqualified?
A: Yes. Unless the Event is “Authorised”

Q: Is it a criminal offence to drive more than 15 yards from a road without written permission giving lawful authority?
A: Yes. Unless the Event is “Authorised”

Q: Is it a criminal offence to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle where the public are present without a current MoT, Registration Plates and Third Party Road Risk Insurance?
A: Yes. Unless the Event is “Authorised” and fully Insured.


www.iopd.org.uk
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, you could probably hold private motorsports events on private ground only open to members of an automobile club?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public liability insurance would be considered a necessity by anyone with any sense.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 22 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: We need more of this .. Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:
It's not often I'll praise West Midlands Police, but on this occasion, I most definitely do....

https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandspolice/videos/1069546343392656/?t=24


A suspended prison sentence. Thank you courts, I'm sure that will deter him. Rolling Eyes


If you can’t give em sentence, at least dish out several hundred hours of community service.... 400 hours of picking up rubbish for no pay in pissing rain might make em think twice next time.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
However, you could probably hold private motorsports events on private ground only open to members of an automobile club?


Nope, they are still members of the public.
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
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However, you could probably hold private motorsports events on private ground only open to members of an automobile club?


Nope, they are still members of the public.


Purely for the sakes of debate.

The law (RTA 1988) doesn't mention "members of the public". It mentions "public place".

It's the place, not the people. So is private land to which only specied private individuals have access a "public place"?

I bring it up because the website you linked to represents a limited company whose business is licencing motorsports events. It is in their interest to imply the broadest possible definition of "public place" what is a very vaguely worded law.

As far as I can see "public place" has a statuatory definition (Criminal Justice act 1972) of "...any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise."... Which still makes it clear as mud.

A paralell might be drawn with private shooting? I could hold a shoot with 30 invited guns on my private land (assuming I had any). If that makes it a "Public place" then every one of those individuals is comitting a serious firearms offence as soon as they take their gun out of the gunslip.

Or perhaps private, members only clubs which are not subject to the usual licencing laws.

We're happy I could ride a non legal bike about on my own land?

I could also invite friends over for a private party where we do the same. Yes?

Ok. How about people riding pit bikes round the field at the BCF BBQ?

Then I decide to set up a BCF pitbike club where specified individuals can ride around in my field? Still ok?

Where's the cut-off here?
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PostPosted: 02:35 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Purely for the sakes of debate.

The law (RTA 1988) doesn't mention "members of the public". It mentions "public place".

It's the place, not the people. So is private land to which only specied private individuals have access a "public place"?

I bring it up because the website you linked to represents a limited company whose business is licencing motorsports events. It is in their interest to imply the broadest possible definition of "public place" what is a very vaguely worded law.

As far as I can see "public place" has a statuatory definition (Criminal Justice act 1972) of "...any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise."... Which still makes it clear as mud.

A paralell might be drawn with private shooting? I could hold a shoot with 30 invited guns on my private land (assuming I had any). If that makes it a "Public place" then every one of those individuals is comitting a serious firearms offence as soon as they take their gun out of the gunslip.

Or perhaps private, members only clubs which are not subject to the usual licencing laws.

We're happy I could ride a non legal bike about on my own land?

I could also invite friends over for a private party where we do the same. Yes?

Ok. How about people riding pit bikes round the field at the BCF BBQ?

Then I decide to set up a BCF pitbike club where specified individuals can ride around in my field? Still ok?

Where's the cut-off here?


The page also lists the 10 other authorised governing bodies. That page has been up for a good 12-15 years. If it wasn't true it would have been challenged by now as it would be very detrimental to other event organisers.

MOD Woodbridge (formerly RAF Woodbridge) can hardly be called a public place, you have to get individual authorisation from the MOD for every single person attending (staff, spectators, racers, everyone) and the rules still applied there when I was doing top speed racing.
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PostPosted: 04:00 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:


The page also lists the 10 other authorised governing bodies. That page has been up for a good 12-15 years. If it wasn't true it would have been challenged by now as it would be very detrimental to other event organisers.

MOD Woodbridge (formerly RAF Woodbridge) can hardly be called a public place, you have to get individual authorisation from the MOD for every single person attending (staff, spectators, racers, everyone) and the rules still applied there when I was doing top speed racing.


What it says on the page is true. What you're invited to imply from that page, I'm not so convinced. Still comes down to what the definition of a "public place" and "the public" is.

The MOD largely does what the MOD wants to do and I can attest to the fact that they on occasion drive vehicles in a highly irresponsible and/or dangerous manner on large MOD exercise areas. Such as in the dark with no lights on or while wearing a respirator. Or even blindfold with someone else telling you where to steer. No authorisation required, presumably because it is not considered to be a "public place".

The very fact you has spectators at said event would, to me, make it a "public" event.

If it was a race-team doing a closed practice session on their own track, despite there being numerous staff present, possibly even multiple vehicles, I highly doubt they'd need "authorisation" to comply with the law? Because it is a "private" organisation, not "public".
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, I expect that the outcome of defining whether there are 'public present' in court depends on how expensive your lawyer is. Certainly the example Steve cited where a guy lets any Joe drive up and pay a tenner would qualify I should think.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
I dunno, I expect that the outcome of defining whether there are 'public present' in court depends on how expensive your lawyer is. Certainly the example Steve cited where a guy lets any Joe drive up and pay a tenner would qualify I should think.


I would expect so.

However I was thinking more along the lines of a private social club where you have to be a subscribed member. (even like our local bowling club of which i am a member of despite never having bowled a ball in my life). It gets round alcohol licencing laws because it's not actually open to the public.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main reason why mod is exempt from health and safety etc is because the crown cannot prosecute itself.
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