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 Posted: 17:22 - 26 Feb 2020 Post subject: Clutch not disengaging (ER-6F) |
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So, short story long. Last year I planned to ride up north to my brothers for Xmas, I'd fixed my bike with lots of swearing, blood and more swearing (head races, then ignition switch). Riding my bike to Asda it kept losing power, rev up and it was really struggling to get anywhere before it conked out.
Managed to drive her home, really slowly, and the engine oil was a lovely chocolate milk colour, so I figured head gasket. Of course, the thing I should have thought was "check with BCF in case it's something simpler".
So I ordered all the parts I needed and then more parts because the coils for the 06 ER-6's are rubbish (switched for nice Mitsubishi ones which work), after much more swearing, blood and snapped bolts (even using a torque wrench) I got the bike back together.
It works, she starts and runs and I've solved the coolant in engine oil problem (probably by luck) but now my clutch won't disengage the engine from the wheel. I put it into 1st, pull the clutch and the wheel is locked (it rotates as free as a bike that's been left over winter can rotate, must do brakes, when in neutral).
I've taken the clutch panel off and ensured it's hooked correctly to the pully outty thingy so it is pulling on the..... thing, it's just not disengaging the engine.
I have warmed up the engine previously (radiator flush after head gasket) so it's probably not that it needs heating up. I didn't really touch any clutch parts doing the head gasket, only took the side panel off for the plastic bit that goes up the chain bit, and to clean out all the white goo.
So any suggestions on what can be preventing my clutch from working? I have adjusted it at the handlebar, it does pull the actuator, I didn't touch the adjusters near the actuator. |
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| sickpup wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | True, but in my defence if you don't keep the clutch pulled in you are hardly going to free up the stuck plates and that is the idea. If you don't get how it works, dont try it!!! |
This is BCF where people give advice without knowing how things work or what the result will be, best to be clear  |
Guilty as charged The clamping the clutch thing is something mentioned to me in passing... as in "would it hurt to try?" ____________________ Royal Enfield Continental GT 535, Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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My thinking about the clutch plates, because of the head gasket there exists this yucky white gunk, you can see it in the clutch cover when you pull it off, and as the entire engine wasn't pulled apart there existed old "bad" oil.
Once the engine was rebuilt and a new filter/oil inserted, it was warmed up and drained, this oil being heavily contaminated with the original yucky oil. So even though I changed that oil, the complete oil is not "pure", so draining and refilling it is refilling it with contaminated oil (I'll hopefully burn it off once I can ride my machine).
But yes, I believe the reason it's stuck is most likely due to the white gunky stuff acting as some sort of glue on the plates rather than being something super bad like a ton of rust.
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Turns out I was over thinking things, my bike was on an Abba stand and I couldn't move the wheel by hand with clutch pulled in. Putting it on the ground and a push was more than enough.
However my original problem remains. Got on her and a tiny ride, if I give it a rev to around 6k+ it struggles before going "nope", I thought that was a symptom of the head gasket being blown so I'm pretty much back to where I was before xmas.
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| sickpup wrote: |
Possibly yes. I've never taken the ignition switch apart on my ER6f 2008 but I would bet there is a resister in it to drop the voltage to the CDI down to 9v. Is there one in the Ninja 250's ignition switch? |
Honestly, no idea. A quick look at google notes you can switch the 250 to a simple on/off switch, though there is a 100ohm resistor (totally no idea)
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Does the FI light come on at all? Normally if it won't rev over 6000 the FI light would come on and stay on until you turn the ignition off and on again. |
I wasn't aware of the FI light coming on, the weather has taken a turn for the worst and with high winds expected it's back on the Abba stand to prevent falling over, but I don't recall seeing the FI light coming on.
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Are the battery and charging system ok? |
Brand new battery, fully charged also
| sickpup wrote: | Did you by any chance fit an after market exhaust around the time the problems started? |
Nope, totally stock, although there is an oxygen sensor cable on the exhaust which was not fitted to anything, just tied down to the frame. Might be to do with the after market air filter that was installed (that I didn't know about so bought a new air filter and found out it was using an after market jobby all along.
| sickpup wrote: | Most importantly what are the coils you fitted? |
The 6k RPM problem was before the coils were swapped, but, I'll fill you in based on research I did before the swap. The original coils for the ER6 (and Versys for 06-09 were 21171-1286 (Denso 129700-4580) which were total and utter rubbish, quickly replaced with Denso 129700-5350 (by Kawasaki, the 4580's would rust and crack and be a pain to remove without a hammer).
What also fits are the F6T560's from Mitsubishi. So instead of spending £110 per coil, I spent £24 for two. it is a straight swap. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 304 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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