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sambuca125
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Small oil leak on crankcase Reply with quote

Hi everyone,
I had an accident near 3 months ago and now I've healed enough physically I'm taking a closer look at the smaller damages to my bike. The main damages were repaired at a workshop after the accident but there are a couple of small issues still.

One of the bolts holding the crankcase in place has been forced slightly by the impact and its seal has been broken. Very little oil comes out, at most a small bubbling when the engine's been revved a few times, but I can feel pressured air puffing out of it. Is this a significant problem, or can it be let be? The bike seems to operate fine but I'm no mechanic, I don't know how a small pressure release could affect the engine's performance.

Many thanks!
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A leaky crankcase is definitely worth fixing. It holds onto the oil which is the lifeblood of the motor and transmission.

Whatever bike you have, put in a google search for crankcase gasket specific to your bike and whether it's the left hand side or RHS of the crankcase.

I say undo all the bolts, replace the damaged one and put in a new gasket, that should stop it leaking.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Replace the bolt and the seal, it's not rocket science.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Re: Small oil leak on crankcase Reply with quote

sambuca125 wrote:
One of the bolts holding the crankcase in place has been forced slightly by the impact and its seal has been broken. Very little oil comes out, at most a small bubbling when the engine's been revved a few times, but I can feel pressured air puffing out of it.

What "seal"? The bolt should not have a seal, unless it's something like a drain plug. Do you mean a gasket? I don't like the sound of "air puffing out of it".

You know what, you'll have to post a picture or two....
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

To everyone who's replied, here's a video of the leak.

As you can see the bolt won't be that easy to get off, but I'll find a way if need be. By seal, I just mean the opening is no longer sealed by the bolt. But as I said, the actual oil leakage is next to nothing (and even less since I took this video as I've shifted the bolt slightly). My main concern is the air leak...

You guys think anything actually needs replacing? I don't think the gasket is damaged. Maybe just a case of taking apart and putting together again?

Thanks all Smile

Edit: pretty sure that video didnt work so heres a pic too.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see the video, but I have sound (a bit like a steam engine).

What bike is it? Where's the "air puffing from"?
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

That case looks cracked.


Edit: Actually on looking at it on a big screen that bolt looks bent and is recessed into the casing.

Thats why iot's almost impossible to get a socket on it.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Can't see the video, but I have sound (a bit like a steam engine).

What bike is it? Where's the "air puffing from"?



It's a sinnis SC 125. Nice bike, but you can tell its chinese made.

The air puffs from the leaky bolt. Can you see the image? Like if you were to put your hand behind the exhaust, youd feel the air puffing out in time with the turns of the engine. It's the same but weaker, coming from the leak.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bolt looks bent, cover looks cracked through the lug. Should just be the alternator under there though, shouldn't be pressurised, I wouldn't expect air movement in that area.

Might just need a new bolt, the apparent crack could also be a casting flaw.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Bolt looks bent, cover looks cracked through the lug. Should just be the alternator under there though, shouldn't be pressurised, I wouldn't expect air movement in that area.

Might just need a new bolt, the apparent crack could also be a casting flaw.


That part of the bike took a pretty heavy blow when I came off, so that sounds about right.
I'll drain the oil and change the bolt, hopefully that'll do the job. There is a very definite air pressure, although it's not particularly strong, but maybe that's not such a serious issue then.
Thanks for your help!
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
That case looks cracked.


Edit: Actually on looking at it on a big screen that bolt looks bent and is recessed into the casing.

Thats why iot's almost impossible to get a socket on it.

What, the mark above and behind the chrome bolt head? I was wondering about the lateral mark above that... and why they would put small diameter bolts in large diameter holes...

Edit: I dunno, downloading thge pic and blowing it up seems to indicate the flange bolt's flange has been pushed into the crankcase.


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PostPosted: 18:15 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sambuca125 wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
Can't see the video, but I have sound (a bit like a steam engine).

What bike is it? Where's the "air puffing from"?

It's a sinnis SC 125. Nice bike, but you can tell its chinese made.

The air puffs from the leaky bolt. Can you see the image? Like if you were to put your hand behind the exhaust, youd feel the air puffing out in time with the turns of the engine. It's the same but weaker, coming from the leak.

What, on the other side, or in the middle? I'd say that the crankcase gasket has gone, and you'll be lucky if that's all it is., 'cos they should not do that unless there's been movement (e.g. the crankcase gasket faces moving relative to each other) and there certainly should not have been any of *that*.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sambuca125 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Bolt looks bent, cover looks cracked through the lug. Should just be the alternator under there though, shouldn't be pressurised, I wouldn't expect air movement in that area.

Might just need a new bolt, the apparent crack could also be a casting flaw.


That part of the bike took a pretty heavy blow when I came off, so that sounds about right.
I'll drain the oil and change the bolt, hopefully that'll do the job. There is a very definite air pressure, although it's not particularly strong, but maybe that's not such a serious issue then.
Thanks for your help!

If there's no leak from the crankcase gasket you could do that, perhaps using plain washers and some silicone sealant, but it's a frightful bodge Smile
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 16 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's no leak from the crankcase gasket you could do that, perhaps using plain washers and some silicone sealant, but it's a frightful bodge Smile[/quote]

At this point the whole bike is a bit of a bodge Laughing
but if it works, it works. What you said here is about the best I can do at the moment. Taking it apart should give me a better idea of the damage. I don't think the flange has been recessed into the casing; it was impossible to get a socket on before the damage too, but the coating on the crankcase is cracked and it could be cracked all the way through like you guys said. Bolt could be bent.

Basically the bolt has been dislodged and has left a small gap in its shaft where the oil and air are coming from, as the flange isn't totally flush with the casing.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 17 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
That case looks cracked.


Edit: Actually on looking at it on a big screen that bolt looks bent and is recessed into the casing.

Thats why iot's almost impossible to get a socket on it.

What, the mark above and behind the chrome bolt head? I was wondering about the lateral mark above that... and why they would put small diameter bolts in large diameter holes...

Edit: I dunno, downloading thge pic and blowing it up seems to indicate the flange bolt's flange has been pushed into the crankcase.

Chinese are renowned for shite engineering practices.
The big hole small bolt is how they build cheap.
Not need for as much expensive precision if the holes are a bolt size too big.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 17 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much is a replacement side cover, gaskets + new set of bolts? Assuming the main crank case isn't damaged as well.
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