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 Posted: 13:08 - 20 Apr 2020 Post subject: Oxford Council : Local Transport and Connectivity Plan |
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/grumpy-oxfordshire-report-bashes-motorcyclists/ar-BB12USwC?ocid=spartandhp
Oxfordshire County Council is working on its Local Transport and Connectivity Plan, intended to improve the region's transportation infrastructure to meet its future needs. Recently it published 28 papers about various topic areas, such as buses, trains, bicycles, and motorcycles. To say that the paper concerning motorcycles is scathing would be an understatement.
The paper gives a list of arguments for and against including motorcycles in their transportation plan:
For
Outside the electric vehicle revolution, motorbikes use less fuel than most, although not all, cars.
Motorbikes take up less space on the motorway than cars; so swapping cars for motorbikes would reduce congestion and take up less parking space
Motorbikes are faster than bicycles; they are perhaps more suited to longer journeys, or longer commutes, than an active mode of travel
Against
Motorbikes are mostly still using fossil fuels to run, meaning they are environmentally unsound, not sustainable, and contribute to air pollution
Motorbikes make a substantial contribution to noise pollution
Statistical evidence suggests motorcyclists are a danger to themselves, and there are recorded activities in other places showing drops in collisions once motorised two-wheelers have been banned from specific lanes other than roads.
Motorbikes are substantially larger than bicycles, so they take more land space to park in busy urban environments
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 Posted: 13:32 - 20 Apr 2020 Post subject: |
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It's such a cynical, biased report I assumed it was a fake at first!
Their report states:
It is relevant to review other local authority policies for Powered Two Wheel riders. Where Transport for London has permitted permanent access to bus lanes for motorbike riders, the number of road incidents involving powered two wheelers has increased.
Injury data from the NHS relating to those attending A&E/Hospital show that twice as many powered two-wheeler riders attend hospital, compared to reporting to the police. One reason could be that of those who attend hospital – but not report to Police – are most likely to have been the only ones involved.
But, TFL state the following on their website:
(https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-of-red-routes/bus-lanes/motorcycles-in-bus-lanes)
Allowing motorcycles in red route bus lanes provides consistency for riders, avoiding confusion and unnecessary risk. It presents no significant safety issues for other vulnerable road users.
Other benefits include reduced motorcycle journey times and fewer carbon dioxide emissions. It also contributes to Vision Zero, working towards the elimination of road traffic deaths and serious injuries. Along with reducing vehicle emissions, this is a key policy in the Mayor's Transport Strategy.
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Most of what they say is true though... We just don't like being found out.
Polluting: Check
Noisy: Check
Dangeous: Check
Harder to park than a bicycle: Check
The justification for the bus lane claim is highly suspect. Someone who missed the correlation does not equal causation part of their statistics lesson. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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 Posted: 18:05 - 20 Apr 2020 Post subject: |
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These types never seem to understand that correlation isn't causation.
They also helpfully missed out the fact that there is some evidence to suggest if 10% of car drivers switched to motorcycles, there would be a disproportionately large effect on traffic congestion. A Belgian study found that if 10% of car drivers switched, traffic congestion would result in a 40% decrease in congestion:
https://www.visordown.com/news/general/heres-what-would-happen-if-10-drivers-switched-motorcycles
With far fewer vehicles idling in traffic, there would definitely be an effect on air pollution.
At the root of this is the fact that motorcycles are many times more sustainable than their Vision Zero. The only time the real world seems to hove into view for such people is when a chubby guy on a 125 comes around to deliver their pizza. |
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Update:
Oxfordshire Council withdraw anti-bike statements from consultation document
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2020/april/oxfordshire-county-council-anti-motorbike-transport-consultation/
Oxfordshire County Council (OCC) have been forced to change their approach to motorcycles after outraging the biking community with scathing and unsubstantiated claims.
A document published as part of the council’s pre-consultation ‘engagement activity’ called motorcyclists a ‘danger to themselves’ who made a ‘substantial contribution to noise pollution’ attracting anger from groups like MAG and the BMF.
After being challenged by these groups and MCN, OCC published an updated version of the document with most of the offending content removed.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 203 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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