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WiseB34R
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 29 Sep 2020    Post subject: Please help - some security device advice needed. Reply with quote

Hi guys and girls.

I am getting a new bike and need some security advice.
When I had 125cc, i stayed in different address and had a pole where I could chain it. I have Almax security chain and good lock.
Where I stay now there is nowhere to chain bike to. I tried sorting a ground lock permission through council, but as usual it will take ages.
I will be installing tracker on my bike.
I'd love to chain it it overnight but doesn't look like an option, so asking to share your wisdom what to get in terms of security.
Thank you all in advance!
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 29 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all seriousness, a cover so they can't see it and therefore won't want it.

I used to take the tops of the handlebar clamps off one of my bikes I had to park in the street, I figured it would be hell of a difficult to wheel it away. Bit of a scutter to do every day though. I also used to lock the chain through the back wheel and up over the saddle.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 29 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a car then you could try and lock it to that? Towing eye perhaps? Or even a neighbour’s car if they agree and they’re not going out overnight.
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PostPosted: 05:43 - 30 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bin full of concrete with a ground anchor set in it? Not quite as good as a permanent fixture, but enough to put off the casual thief.

Otherwise, it's a case of if they want it, they will have it, it's always a question of putting them off. So I go for a having a few different cheapish things: chain even if not locked to anything, disc lock, cover, maybe brake lock too. As you're problem is someone just lifting it, it's one time where an alarm might be sensible - maybe a disc lock with an alarm in if you don't trust them wired to your bike.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 30 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I used to take the tops of the handlebar clamps off one of my bikes I had to park in the street


Someone who had a Triumph (presumably one of the easy to steal ones) told me he'd had some "quick release bolts (or alike)" custom made which he'd take with him at either end (not sure how often he left it like this) which meant they couldn't push it away (ie: remove handlebar clamp and take with) so while this suggestion may seem wild there are a few out there that adopt the method.

My input, along-side a cover (or a half-cover), would be to loop the chain through the rear wheel and then through either a luggage rack on the back or part of the frame. A 1.2 meter chain sufficing in my experience for this purpose (subject to the type of lock you use).

A disc lock on the rear sprocket also, perhaps. People overlook this quite often.

Leaving the bike in gear and removing the clutch lever may confuse them (just a on the spot wild idea, but would have to be hydraulic for it to work).
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 30 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:

My input, along-side a cover (or a half-cover), would be to loop the chain through the rear wheel and then through either a luggage rack on the back or part of the frame. A 1.2 meter chain sufficing in my experience for this purpose (subject to the type of lock you use).

A disc lock on the rear sprocket also, perhaps. People overlook this quite often.

Leaving the bike in gear and removing the clutch lever may confuse them (just a on the spot wild idea, but would have to be hydraulic for it to work).


Yes I used to loop the chain through the rear wheel of my ER5 and over the seat; the angle of the seat meant it wasn't possible to slide the chain over the back. I saw it as a better alternative to just wrapping around the rear wheel.

I've never had a bike I've managed to get the disc lock through the sprocket on, although perhaps it's the disclock (Abus Detecto) that's the problem. If swapping between this and using a brake disc though there's potential for contaminating the disk with grease/oil though unless it gets cleaned after each use.

Like the in gear idea although usually rocking the bike will release the gear without the clutch . . . take the gear lever with you too? Laughing Reminds me of when I went cycle touring in addition to locks, it was always considered good practice to notch the bike up into top gear. A fully loaded tourer in top gear ain't going anywhere fast (or potentially anywhere full stop if it's heavily loaded enough) and it can be enough to slow down a would-be thief.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 30 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
I've never had a bike I've managed to get the disc lock through the sprocket on, although perhaps it's the disclock (Abus Detecto) that's the problem. If swapping between this and using a brake disc though there's potential for contaminating the disk with grease/oil though unless it gets cleaned after each use.


I carry multiple for specific uses at varying locations so contamination is not an issue, but indeed an interesting point. Suppose for the OP it would depend on funds available regarding what would actually work best for himself but at least the knowledge for options is there. In either case I'd always try and go rear over front (for disc locks) since the front can be lifted and if the rear wheel isn't secure then the bike can simply be rolled or pushed. You're never going to win against all possible theft variations but that covers my theory behind covering the rear lightly.

An open shackle disc lock has worked across my last three bikes, and I think it depends on the width and length of the shackle (as well as the rubber sleeve that is often covering the metal, which in some cases hinders the ability for a disc lock to go through either a sprocket or disc).

The basic oxford disc lock, despite being poor, is my go to for that purpose. Accompanied by much beefier options and never relied on alone. Its a tight squeeze, but usually there's at least one slot in the rear sprocket available that it will go through.

ThunderGuts wrote:
take the gear lever with you too? Laughing


I've never done it, but in a world where leaving expensive bikes on the street is the only option for some dismantling part of it to make it harder, or confusing, to steal seems to work for some. I've heard of car owners disconnecting battery leads (and maybe even removing it) to stop theft in the past (older types, years ago).

In all honesty in this situation I'd just annoy everyone else and find a spot most secure closest to home and stick it there. Leaving it on the street would have me loosing sleep, or just buy something for under a grand that reduces loss if theft occurs.

Local garages on the internet may also be an option, but who wants to walk further than their garden gate to get in their vehcile.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 30 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly there's no silver bullet to these issues and where the bike has to be left on the road overnight, it's always going to be challenging.

Actually, an option not yet mentioned and not necessarily practical (but it is serious!) is it feasible to take the bike into the house?! I've known a few people who live in terraced houses literally wheel their bikes into the living room as their front doors opened directly into the living room. Might require some adaptations to the threshold and if it's a suspended floor then it might need a check to see if it's strong enough, plus if there are kids in the house or a less than understanding other half then it might be a difficult sell, but it's an option. Bonus is in the winter you get effectively an extra radiator in the room when you get home from work while the bike cools down. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 30 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

They used to steal my Jawa 350 regularly. You'd usually find it about as far down the road as they could be arsed to push it with the lights turned on and every button pressed.

They'd nick it, put a screwdriver in the ignition switch and turn it, which turns the lights on but doesn't turn the ignition on. They'd look in vein for the kickstart (you push the gear lever in and pivot it up), push all the buttons looking for an electric start, try to bump it unsucessfully then give up.

What was actually more annoying than it being stolen was when they used to nick the HT leads for their other stolen bikes.
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