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"On 4 July rental e-scooters became legal on roads in Great Britain, but it is an offence to ride a privately owned one on a public road, cycle lane or pavement in the UK - these scooters can only be used on private land with permission of the landowner."
Yes I'm sure EVERYONE in the UK is abiding by that law |
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An update from the metropolis of Milton Keynes, the centre of scooter guinea pig testing country.
We have 3 different hire companies running scooters on test in the town (although one seems to have dropped out recently as I haven't seen their scooters).
It is polarising the town completely. There are those that love them, and they are used quite a bit, and those that despise them, older people, dog walkers, towpath users and road users.
The problem from what I see is non of the rule/laws are being enforced. They go on roads, whole families use them. Kids who obviously aren't old enough to have any licence. Packs of the younger element use them to get back fro the centre when pissed because they use the redways (cycle and pedestrian paths in MK) where the police don't want to/bother going.
There have been a few nasty accidents, mostly gravel rash and old people being knocked over but it seems the blame is not being apportioned to the scooters. There have, as far as I know, been no prosecutions.
Which leads me to the conclusion the the powers that be are going to give it a clean bill of health and pass fit to be rolled out all over the country.
I dread to think what pandemonium mass scooters on the cycle ways of London will cause. At least in MK we have spread out roads, cycleways and the like. If you think push bikes in London is manic, wait till the scooters hit in force.
The only way I can see it working in London as a precursor of a total car ban from the congestion zone, which is probably exactly what Khan and TFL are planning. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Looter-scooters more like.
The urge to clothesline is strong when they are on the pavement.... ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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A thought I had recently: if they say eScooters are okay for general use then maybe Segways and the kids' "hoverboards" will make a comeback ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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It's been about 7 or so years since I've ready the study.
I have no idea as to the source anymore.
What is definitely clear is that we're all biased.
I could tell all sorts of tall tales of shit I've seen motorcyclists do in London, but you'll probably think they're made up or specifically selected to paint a bad picture. To be perfectly honest, motorcyclists in London were generally great, but the odd one did extremely dangerous shit. When cyclists do stupid shit, at least they're not as lethal. Not an excuse, mind...
I'm no longer in London, haven't been since around 2014. Maybe things have changed, maybe I used to commute on roads used by a disproportionate amount of law abiding cyclists. Somehow I don't think so.
But to each their own, and you're not going to change my opinion, and I'm not going to change yours.
There's definitely a difference in behaviour of different types of vehicle users in different places.
What is a definite constant is thar cars do fucked up shit wherever you go. Probably because almost everyone has a car, and there's more cars than anything else. So, statistically that's going to happen. It's also why car drivers get away relatively lightly when they kill pedestrians or other vehicle users. Almost every juror drives, and they can relate to bullshit excuses like "I didn't see x", "I was blinded by the sun" and the like.
For what it's worth, being a cyclist is one of the reasons/things that's led me to becoming a motorcyclist. I also drive. ____________________ Honda GLR125 (finally) |
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I can see this descending into a protracted back and forth about cyclists.
I really should have known better than to try and discuss cyclists; once people have certain views, they are extremely difficult to shift.
My mistake for referring to a study that I didn't have a reference for, I'll hold my hands up to that.
It has to be said that once a specific view is held, supporting evidence for it can be found if you look hard enough.
At the end of the day, I'm going to stand by my statement regarding cyclists. The over-arching message is that the there are assholes in this world, some choose to drive, some cycle, some ride a motorcycle.
Over the years I've noticed that whenever you get a cyclist hater, they will have some sort of reason to hate them. A firm favourite of mine is "they don't pay road tax". When I burst their bubble that there's no such thing as road tax, vehicle emissions tax is not ring-fenced for roads, and we all have pay for the roads...the cyclist haters immediately find another excuse as to why cyclists are scum. These vary from "they all jump red lights!" (impossible) to "they just look silly" (as if that's a good reason to hate a whole group).
In the end it all boils down to jealousy, cycling is extremely low cost and you can filter.
Car drivers being overtaken by filtering cyclists are pissed off that the cyclist doesn't need a licence, doesn't pay for fuel, car tax, etc etc, and their bike can cost as little as £200. (or be a free hand me down).
I'm a little bit disappointed/surprised that there are cyclist haters amongst motorcycle riders; for obvious reasons. My fault for misjudging the situation.
Like I said before, I won't change your opinion, you won't change mine. Let's not waste any more time discussing this back and forth. I thought my overarching statement was relatively unbiased and would ring true for most reasonable people, but clearly in some people's eyes I'll always be wrong,
I think I'll stick to other areas of this forum, such as "new riders", rather than "biking news and rumours". ____________________ Honda GLR125 (finally) |
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Just to be fair "dia-fucking-bollock-all liberties" have gone up rather than down in recent year in the City (my opinion.)
Motorcyclists? Way too few now to even pass comment so I'll not even bother letting my biases creep in
Scooters on the other hand... if you're turning left check your left shoulder: there'll be a scooter on the inside regardless of your indicator being on and regardless of the fact you're less than 2ft from the curb
Couriers? Not a big deal as they're mostly static obstacles parked in daft places but remember: where's there's van there's a man! Actually that's a bit sexist now considering my local Hermes courier is a robust lesbican
And then of course there's mini-cabs where Mohammad* has not only borrowed his brother's car for a few shifts but his driving licence too
*Other forms of racism are available upon request ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Hi Easy-X,
Thank you for letting the community know. Do you know anything about german regulations for these new e-scooter freedoms? After the winter is over I'd love to hop on mine again.
Best wishes, Maggie ____________________ Die physischen Hindernisse, die Frage des Gleichgewichts, die Konzentration und der Blick nach vorn, das alles macht das Fahrrad zu einem Spiegel der Seele. |
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Hey Jock, you must be as bored as me to be resurrecting this stuff!!
(my excuse is a total hip replacement has made me housebound!)
PS, wanna buy some Vette photos???? |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 106 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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