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buddy
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 25 Oct 2022    Post subject: Am i completely brain dead? Reply with quote
Im thinking of putting something like these...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144499442000?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=MQgQNOYfQNC&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=0qSIhi1FTAO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

On my r1. She is abit heavy on the wrists. I know i know, use your core... But if youre tired and stuck in traffic, it just does not cut it.
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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 25 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where's Shereen when you need her.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 25 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
You want these, a pair of 'Live to ride' mirrors
and some well 'ard leather tassels mate
and butt lube too prolly

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GfcAAOSwDsVh5uA-/s-l1600.jpg
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 25 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
an R1 is still a hell of a tool, even if you fitted flatbars.

It's your bike...
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buddy
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 25 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
To be honest. Im more concerned about the quality of ebay clip ons on a sportsbike...
Ive never heard any horror stories though. Has anybody here heard any?
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 25 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
buddy wrote:
To be honest. Im more concerned about the quality of ebay clip ons on a sportsbike...
Ive never heard any horror stories though. Has anybody here heard any?


They aren't seeing a whole lot of force under normal use anyway. They're only there to turn the steering.
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PostPosted: 06:33 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
WD Forte wrote:
You want these, a pair of 'Live to ride' mirrors
and some well 'ard leather tassels mate
and butt lube too prolly

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GfcAAOSwDsVh5uA-/s-l1600.jpg


I've often thought the turning force on the bar clamps must be huge with this style of bar; it's essentially a massive lever. I'd imagine the torque you'd have to do the clamps up to would be massive to resist turning (tube crush risk?!), especially as you're effectively doing the monkey bars as you're riding along.
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xX-Alex-Xx
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
buddy wrote:
To be honest. Im more concerned about the quality of ebay clip ons on a sportsbike...
Ive never heard any horror stories though. Has anybody here heard any?


They aren't seeing a whole lot of force under normal use anyway. They're only there to turn the steering.


Unless you're one of the people who think you should be holding onto them as tightly as possible and put all your weight through them when braking. Laughing



WD Forte wrote:
You want these, a pair of 'Live to ride' mirrors
and some well 'ard leather tassels mate


Don't forget the pink basket to go on front.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
WD Forte wrote:
You want these, a pair of 'Live to ride' mirrors

https://i.imgur.com/ZowsQ0D.jpg
WD Forte wrote:
and some well 'ard leather tassels mate
and butt lube too prolly

He also needs one of his biker bros to get him one of those guardian bell things.

And learn the biker poem off by heart.

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buddy
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hahaha, so no horror stories then? Should be safe?

Id think the highest load would be when the front wheel hits back down after a wheelie... Idk
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ThunderGuts
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is there a "brand" product that does the same thing, made by someone reputable?
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
ThunderGuts wrote:
Is there a "brand" product that does the same thing, made by someone reputable?

Yeah, it's called a Yamaha MT10.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
buddy wrote:
Hahaha, so no horror stories then? Should be safe?

Id think the highest load would be when the front wheel hits back down after a wheelie... Idk


That, or emergency braking.
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to v or not to v
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
is there enough length on you cables/brake lines or will they need replacing too? could end up being quite costly.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those eBay clamps are only an inch higher so I'd have though there wouldn't be problems with the throttle cables, brake hoses, clutch cable or electrical wires.

There's huge amounts of info on r1 forums from people asking about similar products and threads from people who've fitted raised clipons or adjustable clipons.

buddy wrote:
stuck in traffic

Thinking

Why are you stuck in traffic on an R1?
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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:


buddy wrote:
stuck in traffic

Thinking

Why are you stuck in traffic on an R1?


Scared to filter. Pussy.
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xX-Alex-Xx
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:
buddy wrote:
Hahaha, so no horror stories then? Should be safe?

Id think the highest load would be when the front wheel hits back down after a wheelie... Idk


That, or emergency braking.


If you're loading the bars up on either of those, you're doing it wrong
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Bhud
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:


If you're loading the bars up on either of those, you're doing it wrong


In an emergency braking situation, you could be going at any speed. The first brake you engage is the front brake. This, immediately followed by the rear brake. Then, optionally, engine braking. The fact you engage the front brake first means that the bars WILL load up. Regardless of whether you use progressive pressure. The forks will depress, which means the front end loads up.

I don't ride ABS bikes, I've never owned an ABS bike, and emergency braking is a basic, essential skill...
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xX-Alex-Xx
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:


If you're loading the bars up on either of those, you're doing it wrong


In an emergency braking situation, you could be going at any speed. The first brake you engage is the front brake. This, immediately followed by the rear brake. Then, optionally, engine braking. The fact you engage the front brake first means that the bars WILL load up. Regardless of whether you use progressive pressure. The forks will depress, which means the front end loads up.

I don't ride ABS bikes, I've never owned an ABS bike, and emergency braking is a basic, essential skill...


You're confusing loading the front end suspension up, with putting weight through the handlebars. You shouldn't be putting pressure from your body weight through your arms pressing down on the bars - you grip the tank with your legs. ABS has fuck all to do with it.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:


You're confusing loading the front end suspension up, with putting weight through the handlebars. You shouldn't be putting pressure from your body weight through your arms pressing down on the bars - you grip the tank with your legs. ABS has fuck all to do with it.


1) Gripping the tank with your legs is an extra step and isn't the priority when carrying out an emergency braking procedure. It's bullshit.

2) ABS has a lot to do with it because it lets you get away with bad habits. You can be ham-fisted and get away with it.

I don't ride the kind of bikes you ride. The kind of bikes I ride take more braking skill and forethought. A lot more. You should read this as an indicator of experience and skill, because it is. Many people nowadays steer completely clear of non-ABS bikes. ABS makes a difference.

You may be unaware that if you carry out an emergency brake procedure clumsily on an old (70s or 80s), you risk falling off the bike because the front wheel will lock up. Your only concern is timing the rear wheel brake when the forks go down as you apply progressive pressure to the front brake.

Did you get the tank-gripping tip from Youtube, then? What do you think would happen if you had to emergency brake at 70mph, your weight goes forward with all that momentum as you grip the front brake, and you're light and dainty on the bars because you've got thighs like the incredible hulk gripping the tank? Hmm...

Literally, I am still here today typing this message and with all faculties intact, because I know how to do emergency braking.
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xX-Alex-Xx
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:


1) Gripping the tank with your legs is an extra step and isn't the priority when carrying out an emergency braking procedure. It's bullshit.


It should be your PRIMARY step so you're not loading the bars up with your weight.

Bhud wrote:

2) ABS has a lot to do with it because it lets you get away with bad habits. You can be ham-fisted and get away with it.


Again, ABS has NOTHING to do with gripping the tank. You (ok maybe not you) do the same on a bike with or without ABS.

Bhud wrote:

I don't ride the kind of bikes you ride.


So you ride tractors then?

Bhud wrote:
You may be unaware that if you carry out an emergency brake procedure clumsily on an old (70s or 80s), you risk falling off the bike because the front wheel will lock up. Your only concern is timing the rear wheel brake when the forks go down as you apply progressive pressure to the front brake.


You may be unaware that more modern bikes don't have ABS either. I've literally never owned a bike with ABS (had plenty of OEM loaners with it though so have a good amount of experience with them). End of the day, you still ride as if it doesn't have ABS - it's not a replacement for proper technique.

You seem to be arguing a totally different fucking point than I'm making here Rolling Eyes If you want to hold onto the handlebars til your knuckles are white, then feel free. I'll carry on doing it the same way I've been doing it for the last 2 decades which is loose on the bars and gripping the tank with my legs Wink



Edit to add:

Bhud wrote:
Did you get the tank-gripping tip from Youtube, then?


Oh, and fuck you
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Once again, no-ABS means I have to know how to do emergency braking correctly because I have much less margin for mistakes. It amazes me you don't understand this.

I ride 80s UJM bikes. What do you ride? Sportsbike, right? And your idea of emergency braking is in fact just sportsbike hard braking - not emergency braking at all. When you do an emergency brake in real life, there is a bit of fear because it's an emergency. That doesn't mean you completely freeze up, but your weight does go forward and is taken up partly by your arms. This is not the same thing as late braking before going into a corner.

You WILL load up the bars when emergency braking. You've just never thought about it, or actually done it.

I know I know your favourite Twist of the Wrist, always grip your tank and flap your arms, etc. But you're being completely stupid to deny that you load up the bars when emergency braking. Once again, 70kg going through the air at 65mph = significant momentum. Some of that momentum will go straight down into the bars.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:
Once again, no-ABS means I have to know how to do emergency braking correctly because I have much less margin for mistakes. It amazes me you don't understand this.


It amazes me you obviously can't read either...

I'll repeat it from my last post, but type it slower so you'll get it. I'm sorry I don't have crayons to make it easier for you.

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End of the day, you still ride as if it doesn't have ABS - it's not a replacement for proper technique.

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PostPosted: 17:09 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
to v or not to v wrote:
is there enough length on you cables/brake lines or will they need replacing too? could end up being quite costly.


Forgot about this. Thanks
I honestly cant believe some of these other comments, Its like were all 16 again. Step awaaaaay from the keyboard.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just my opinion, feels like you might mod the R1 and still not be comfortable. Depending on your needs etc maybe a super naked might be better?
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