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PostPosted: 13:50 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There is nothing which boils my piss as much as this annual rigmarole. My own payments to VirginMedia have just pretty much doubled overnight having gone out of contract, so I need to go through it yet again.

Just about to start this godawful process, but I've discovered that BT have just installed proper 'full fibre' broadband locally, which means for the first time VirginMedia have a realistic competitor here - I can now get broadband faster than my current VM service at lower cost (comparing like-with-like newbie and existing customer rates). So I'm seriously in a position to tell VM to do one.

My main concern now - which maybe people can alleviate? - is what happens on changeover of suppliers these days? There are two people here working from home, 100% reliant on the internet for their jobs, and I cannot risk fucking that up!
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Freddyfruitbat wrote:
There is nothing which boils my piss as much as this annual rigmarole. My own payments to VirginMedia have just pretty much doubled overnight having gone out of contract, so I need to go through it yet again.

Just about to start this godawful process, but I've discovered that BT have just installed proper 'full fibre' broadband locally, which means for the first time VirginMedia have a realistic competitor here - I can now get broadband faster than my current VM service at lower cost (comparing like-with-like newbie and existing customer rates). So I'm seriously in a position to tell VM to do one.

My main concern now - which maybe people can alleviate? - is what happens on changeover of suppliers these days? There are two people here working from home, 100% reliant on the internet for their jobs, and I cannot risk fucking that up!


If you are going from one systgem to a completely new system like I did (BT landline to city fibre) you just make sure there is an overlap between the one coming on line and the other going off. I had 10 days with both systems up and runnning. I had to do it all myself, the auto changing of ISP's only works if the incoming and outgoing ISP's are running on the same system, eg BT openreach.

At least that was what I was told.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Freddyfruitbat wrote:
My main concern now - which maybe people can alleviate? - is what happens on changeover of suppliers these days? There are two people here working from home, 100% reliant on the internet for their jobs, and I cannot risk fucking that up!
If you are going from one systgem to a completely new system like I did (BT landline to city fibre) you just make sure there is an overlap between the one coming on line and the other going off.

Oh, OK - thanks. That's not a problem then; I thought (from ancient memory having done this back in the dark ages!) that there was a code which got passed from one supplier to the other enabling one to switch over to the other (or not, being the more likely) as it wasn't possible to have more than one on the go at once! I don't use any VirginMedia email etc, so it really shouldn't be too painful to the make the change.

Crazy system as round here I'm 100% happy with the VM service apart from the end-of-contract tango...
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Changing providers but reusing the same line is where it gets sticky.

Even that's no biggie: buy a router with PAYG 4G/5G SIM to cover any transition downtime.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Changing providers but reusing the same line is where it gets sticky.

Even that's no biggie: buy a router with PAYG 4G/5G SIM to cover any transition downtime.


That solution is dependent on signal strength, I had to put an external antenna up for mine. If you can use your phone indoors though then it should be fine.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
My main concern now - which maybe people can alleviate? - is what happens on changeover of suppliers these days? There are two people here working from home, 100% reliant on the internet for their jobs, and I cannot risk fucking that up!


i quite often connect my mobile phone to the pc, to use the internet. as long as your phone has an half decent signal, it works quite well.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
My works prefers.that I don't use my personal phone as a hot spot for my laptop, presumably because 4g can have a poisoned antenna set up nearby and my phone will just go for the strongest signal.
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Oh, don't worry. My works laptop is vpnd up its vajassal cause of who my employer is. My employer is also very risk adverse where IT is concerned.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
My main concern now - which maybe people can alleviate? - is what happens on changeover of suppliers these days? There are two people here working from home, 100% reliant on the internet for their jobs, and I cannot risk fucking that up!

It's incredibly straightforward and hassle free in my experience; existing phone and internet works fine in the evening when you go to bed and the next day you plug the stuff in from your new ISP and away you go.

I change ISP every 12 or 18 months, I don't understand why people bother trying to get their existing ISP to match what deals are available elsewhere. I'm getting ~76Mb fibre for just over £15 a month.

Like with insurance, there's no reason for customers to have any brand loyalty so if a better deal is available elsewhere, the thing to do is to just go with that better deal. Your existing ISP doesn't give a fuck about you so you shouldn't give a fuck about dumping them.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Changing providers but reusing the same line is where it gets sticky.

That's such an obscure strange thing to do, why would anyone want to do that?
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
dave001 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
My works prefers.that I don't use my personal phone as a hot spot for my laptop, presumably because 4g can have a poisoned antenna set up nearby and my phone will just go for the strongest signal.



you can run a man inthe middel attack on any wifi conection be it 3g 4g ,next doors router or our employers wifi

if there that worryed they should only conect via earthnet on a closed section /zone of the network


That depends on how securely the endpoint is configured. I know that a mitm attack would be nigh impossible on one of our laptops or phones. You certainly wouldn't be able to impersonate one of our APs.

A decent end to end VPN is all that's needed to mitigate that particular risk.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
Changing providers but reusing the same line is where it gets sticky.

That's such an obscure strange thing to do, why would anyone want to do that?


Depending on your area the only copper running to your house might be a choice between Virgin Media and Open Reach. Changing from VM to Sky would be no bother (and could easily be run concurrently) but what about going from BT to Sky?
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Why would switching ISP from BT to Sky be a problem? Line rental is packaged with the broadband connection, gone are the days of paying line rental to one company for the phone line and paying a different company for the internet connection which uses the phone line.

Both Sky and BT pay to use the Openreach network, one day your service would be with BT and the next it would be with Sky.

It's crazy that people don't switch to get themselves a better deal.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you want to keep your phone number the old Open Reach supplier (e.g. BT) has to hand that off to the new one (e.g. Sky) and that should work flawlessly.

When it doesn't then it's weeks or even months of pointless phone calls revolving around "computer says no."
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
I change ISP every 12 or 18 months, I don't understand why people bother trying to get their existing ISP to match what deals are available elsewhere.

Well in my case the only line in to my house is VirginMedia's; not to say I couldn't get another one installed by BT or whatever, but until this year the speed available on the competition in this area has been utterly dreadful (in fact it fell below the threshold which would have been permitted by my other half's employer to let her work from home). A whole different proposition to switching utility suppliers, as I've done for decades.

Anyway, not any more.

EDIT: Well that was interesting.
VirginMedia have been charging me £28 for 132Mb for the last 18 months; I've been happy with that; their service and infrastructure round here is actually very good. Am now out of contract, and it went straight up to £56. I phoned to cancel just now and the above-mentioned "Billy Bangladesh" immediately offered me £36. "No thanks". Billy went off but came straight back offering me... £28. Which I accepted. Didn't even need to get put through to Retentions! I hung up the phone 8 minutes after phoning. Some kind of record!

I do wonder whether this happened as a direct result of realistic competition for their service being available in my area.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I change ISP every 12 or 18 months, I don't understand why people bother trying to get their existing ISP to match what deals are available elsewhere.

Cos they're happy with their ISP. I've had pretty awful experiences with regular outages, and slow as fuck speeds even with the big boys, so I'd rather stay with an ISP I'm happy with.

The problem is they like doing regular price increases, and sometimes penalise people out of contract with an even bigger increase, to try and bully you into taking out a new contract.

That's the bit that grinds my gears and forces me to leave.
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Think I'm on the tail end of it - laid me up over the weekend - 2 days of astonishingly shite TV watching. Still coughing mind you..


How long did it last? I have heard tell of two weeks with this one.


Worst bits about 4 days - lingering cough though.
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Does sound like we've been licking the same tramps...

I am at the lingering cough and snots stage too. Been a week and a bit now. I think the Govt. called it wrong - they should have described last winter as a 'bit of a cold', and had their pandemic this winter instead.
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My upstairs neighbour has pestered me ALL day yesterday about her frigging low water pressure Mad

I had to have a shower to test mine so that she felt better.
Shocked Shocked wtf I am trying to have a slob-out duvet weekend! Shocked Shocked

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Fucking annoying. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 18 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My upstairs neighbour has pestered me ALL day yesterday about her frigging low water pressure Mad

I had to have a shower to test mine so that she felt better.
Shocked Shocked wtf I am trying to have a slob-out duvet weekend! Shocked Shocked

Brick Wall

Fucking annoying. Laughing


Wait 'till you hear her in the shower then put the washing machine on and flush the toilet.
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First service day for the MT-10 so of course it's blowing a gale and pissing down. I am far from impressed that
my lovely new bike has had to get wet, I don't do rain. It will need a wash by the time I get it home even after the
wash done as part of the service. Got a 22 plated V-Strom 1050 as a courtesy bike. My first ride of a big adventure
style bike, was very comfortable I must say, felt like a big sofa on wheels. But even as an owner of a notoriously
ugly bike myself, it's a proper munter. Also annoyed that I had to put a fivers worth of petrol in it on the way home
because the fuel light was flashing right from the get go. They can deduct that from the cost of the service. I kept
the receipt.

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PostPosted: 13:14 - 19 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:

VirginMedia have been charging me £28 for 132Mb for the last 18 months; I've been happy with that; their service and infrastructure round here is actually very good. Am now out of contract, and it went straight up to £56. I phoned to cancel just now and the above-mentioned "Billy Bangladesh" immediately offered me £36. "No thanks". Billy went off but came straight back offering me... £28. Which I accepted. Didn't even need to get put through to Retentions! I hung up the phone 8 minutes after phoning. Some kind of record!

I do wonder whether this happened as a direct result of realistic competition for their service being available in my area.

Best they offered me was £34 from paying £28, just got off the phone to them. Told them to shove it, they have
given me a service ending date now, lets see if retentions calls me back.
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grr666 wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:

VirginMedia have been charging me £28 for 132Mb for the last 18 months; I've been happy with that; their service and infrastructure round here is actually very good. Am now out of contract, and it went straight up to £56. I phoned to cancel just now and the above-mentioned "Billy Bangladesh" immediately offered me £36. "No thanks". Billy went off but came straight back offering me... £28. Which I accepted. Didn't even need to get put through to Retentions! I hung up the phone 8 minutes after phoning. Some kind of record!

I do wonder whether this happened as a direct result of realistic competition for their service being available in my area.

Best they offered me was £34 from paying £28, just got off the phone to them. Told them to shove it, they have
given me a service ending date now, lets see if retentions calls me back.


It would be really interesting to know companies break even point. You are connected, have a router already and there is absolutly no outlay for a compny to have to cover. When I phoned up to cancel BT and they asked why, I said what they charged was a rip off they immediatly said we can help you save on that. Rolling Eyes

I really really hate this 3.x% plus CPI they all seem to invoke each year as well. Well not all because my ISP is only a years contract but will have to see what happens when that finishes.
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Cold/flu bug. Hit Mrs stinkwheel yesterday, hit me today.

Proper open eye visuals, it's like being in a Pink Floyd concert but without the cool bits.
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