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PostPosted: 13:38 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: High beam voltage ?? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I've got an issue with my high beam. When the switch is turned on I get 11.60 volts from the connector 0 when off. This is the same as the low beam which works fine. I've tried the same bulb in the high beam and yet nothing. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Should they be higher or one higher than the other?

I've even swapped out the headlight loom on the assumption it was a gear indicator that had been spliced into the wiring, it does the same even with a standard untampered one. I've never had a need to measure voltages for bulbs in the past so don't have a good grounding (see what i did there! Very Happy ) in this area...

thanks for your thoughts! Smile
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: High beam voltage ?? Reply with quote

MG#43 wrote:
Hi all,

I've got an issue with my high beam. When the switch is turned on I get 11.60 volts from the connector 0 when off. This is the same as the low beam which works fine. I've tried the same bulb in the high beam and yet nothing. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Should they be higher or one higher than the other?



Perhaps I'm being dim (see what I did there) but I don't really understand what you are saying (underlined)
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

its same voltage for high and low beam.

more interested to know what problem you are trying to find and solve by doing this...
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

that_impulse_guy wrote:
its same voltage for high and low beam.

more interested to know what problem you are trying to find and solve by doing this...


the high beam isn't working, no lighty no likely, no mot'y pass'y! Laughing

but does have the same voltage as the low and the same bulb and multiple others also don't light up, the bulbs themselves work in the low beam connector....
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, i re-read what you wrote...so you've got two separate bulbs. low beam bulb doesnt work in high beam socket although does work in low beam socket etc.

comment1: 11.6 is a bit low...is that with bike off?
comment2: you mentioned "measured at the connector"...is that a block going to main beam, or actually sticking the probes into main beam socket? and if into socket, check what happens when you put a bulb into socket, maybe theres something physical going on shorting stuff out...if you measured 11.6v at the connector block, then also check if you have 11.6v at the socket end.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

What voltage is getting to the bulb? I suspect there's a break in the connection from the switch to the bulb.

Is the main beam element in your bulb blown?
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: High beam voltage ?? Reply with quote

MG#43 wrote:
don't have a good grounding (see what i did there! Very Happy ))

That could well be your problem
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
What voltage is getting to the bulb? I suspect there's a break in the connection from the switch to the bulb.

Is the main beam element in your bulb blown?


This.

Get a new bulb and try it or get the old bulb out, stick your meter on conductivity and check it makes a circuit.

Don't mean to tell your grandma how to suck eggs but do the obvious, simple things first.

If your bulb is OK, stick the meter across the live and earth on the high beam block and switch it on. !2.* volts there? If there is and your bulbs ok, it will work.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and multiple others also don't light up, the bulbs themselves work in the low beam connector....


Just wondering if the working low beam is a ‘daytime running light’ and on a different circuit to the other lights. Check the lighting circuit fuse.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

what I'm struggling to understand is this. Turn ignition on, connector 1: has 11.6v and bulb illumination. Connector 2 is activated by a switch, when in the off position 0 volts, when activated it also has 11.6v. Using the same bulb the is no illumination. Things we know this is a high beam v low beam. Going back to my original question what is the difference in terms of voltage, how does it know to use the high beam or low beam elements when/if both connectors have 11.6v.

so, perhaps??? 11.6v is std for low beam. If the high beam loom connection also connection has 11.6v this will not power the bulb in the same was as the low beam did, nor is it enough to power the high beam.

the only thing that makes sense right now is that all 4 of my h4 bulbs' high beam elements are shot, and that the loom/ecu knows not to power the bulb with only 11.6v in the same way as it would/does with the low beam.... because..... it wants.....????? what? 12.5v ?

You put a 12v bulb in a connector with 11.6v seemingly this is good news, but in one that's 'high beam' its not good enough?

I'll buy another new bulb tomorrow to test.... Thanks for your comments to date!! Smile
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you have a multimeter to check voltage have you bothered to check the continuity on the main beam of any of your bulbs?
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

11.6 volts from a battery delivering 12.5 volts is just ‘voltage drop’ across the distance between the battery terminals and the headlight connector.

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how does it know to use the high beam or low beam elements when/if both connectors have 11.6v?

It’s switched, but using the same voltage source.[/quote]
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


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how does it know to use the high beam or low beam elements when/if both connectors have 11.6v?

It’s switched, but using the same voltage source.


Cause he's measuring the voltage on the earth thats's broken...
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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multiple other (bulbs) don't light up

Surely this is key. Which ones?
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he means he's swapped out the bulb but he's not being that clear.

Iwouldn't be measuring at the connector block but where the wire connects to the bulb fitting but thats just me with years of experience of doing this shit.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
As you have a multimeter to check voltage have you bothered to check the continuity on the main beam of any of your bulbs?


when i have 11.6v at the connector why am i worried about continuity, I have power no? forgive me this is not my area so I'm not being a smart ass its a genuine question, surely this test is from fuse box to connector?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

MG#43 wrote:
what I'm struggling to understand is this. Turn ignition on, connector 1: has 11.6v and bulb illumination. Connector 2 is activated by a switch, when in the off position 0 volts, when activated it also has 11.6v. Using the same bulb the is no illumination. Things we know this is a high beam v low beam. Going back to my original question what is the difference in terms of voltage, how does it know to use the high beam or low beam elements when/if both connectors have 11.6v.



Voltage is simply electrical pressure. The same voltage applies to both high and low beams.

What makes the difference is the resistance of the high and low beam filaments. The high beam is much lower resistance than the low beam. What this means is that a higher current flows through the high beam filament and a lower current through the low.

Power is voltage multiplied by current. That's how the high beam is a higher power and hence brighter.

Change yer bulb. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

MG#43 wrote:


when i have 11.6v at the connector why am i worried about continuity, I have power no? forgive me this is not my area so I'm not being a smart ass its a genuine question, surely this test is from fuse box to connector?


It may be getting to the connector but are you sure it's getting to the bulb?

Continuity is to test the actual bulb.

You clearly don't understand electrics so I'm going to save myself an aneurism and duck out now. Really not in the mood to teach from first principles.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I think he means he's swapped out the bulb but he's not being that clear.

Iwouldn't be measuring at the connector block but where the wire connects to the bulb fitting but thats just me with years of experience of doing this shit.


this is what I'm doing, I have 11.6v at the low beam connector block and it lights up, the switched high beam connector also has 11.6v but does not light up. What am I missing...
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

MG#43 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I think he means he's swapped out the bulb but he's not being that clear.

Iwouldn't be measuring at the connector block but where the wire connects to the bulb fitting but thats just me with years of experience of doing this shit.


this is what I'm doing, I have 11.6v at the low beam connector block and it lights up, the switched high beam connector also has 11.6v but does light up. What am I missing...



A fucking brain.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I wouldn't be measuring at the connector block but where the wire connects to the bulb fitting

Same thing? What do you mean?
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to basics. Try a new twin-filament bulb.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 07 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try another new h4 tomorrow.... thanks for the sensible answers!

in ref to no brain! You cannot articulate a response so you come back with this? but choose to type this up and reply regardless?? That's pure showmanship, which needs to be celebrated!! well done sir!! you are a true biker!
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PostPosted: 06:04 - 08 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

MG#43 wrote:


in ref to no brain! You cannot articulate a response so you come back with this? but choose to type this up and reply regardless?? That's pure showmanship, which needs to be celebrated!! well done sir!! you are a true biker!


Nobby likes to wind people up, dont take it personally, he does it to everyone.

like a little dog that yaps every time you walk by, you just learn to ignore it.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 08 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning!

So, an update....

New bulb, no better.... but, I have learned that once I place the bulb in the connector the now 12v (I charged the battery over night) is gone/lost. Take it out and it's back to 12v.... So the bulb is shorting out the circuit. So what should i check next knowing its the same on x2 headlight looms and everything else on the bike is working....? A continuity check on the earth would surely be ok otherwise I wouldn't have power to the connector? I mean if I had a breakage why do i have 12v at the connector when the switch is on?

I tried redirecting the earth to another part of the bike, this was not a success but would have been a moment of true genius to go against previous remarks of my competence if it was!! Laughing
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