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PostPosted: 15:11 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: So someone tried to nick my bike last night...AGAIN!! Reply with quote

Went out to get ready for the commute this morning and found myself one chain short on my bike, double-taked for a short while incase I had forgotten to put it on but then found a small piece of the chain link on the floor. It was an Oxford HD chain. I had to get off to work so didn't get a chance to look at anything more.

Now I'm at work I've just been out to it and can see that there are 2 significant dents in one of the links of my Oxford hardcore chain as well. There are no marks on my Oxford Boss Alarm Disk Lock. The bike was covered as normal when I went out to it this morning however I do recall the HD chain hanging down and being visible when I left it last night, maybe this attracted their attention...?

This was obviously a concerted attempt at stealing the bike, I don't know whether they got disturbed or couldn't get through the Hardcore chain and gave up. The bike is covered up and parked on the street, there's nothing to chain it up too, I am one chain down now as well.

I know if someone wants to nick it they will but can you guys think of anything I could do to help me sleep better tonight?

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P.s On a lighter note, for those who saw my post the other day - I can put my helmet on everytime now Very Happy


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PostPosted: 15:24 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, the chain lasted, did it? Or not? I don't completely understand? The bike was minus one chain this morning (they took it) yet you still have it???!?!?! Confused Sorry....bit confused.

I use this oxford hardcore chain that you speak of so wouldn't mind knowing how it faired. I always leave my chains around the lampost when using the bike. So that if someone's tampered with them, I know not to park it there and someone is after it. Crying or Very sad

Is the oxford HD chain not a Hardcore chain then? Sorry to hear about this by the way. Is your bike alarmed? If not, I'd heftily advise you to get one soon.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an alarm fitted as they only cost from £50 i.e. upwards like from Sola Alarm and place the little stickers that come with it on your bike and the blinking red LED is a good way to keep little brats and small time thiefs from your bike. They don't like bringing attention to themselves when attempting to steal a bike and the alarm is the detterent for that.

Sounds like they may have tried to use a hammer & chisel on your chain's links and that's why chains with an outer rolling barrel makes it harder to knick as it will make it extremely diffficult for hack sawing through it !
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, if i wasn't clear, it's 2 different chains and a disc lock alarm. The HD chain died and was missing this morning other than a 1/2 a link left on the ground. The Hardcore chain faired better but has 2 significant dents in one of the links, they nearly got through it.

The HD chain was just as an extra deterrent, I knew it wouldn't be that beefy but I'm surprised at the apparent ease with which it was removed. My bike is about 5 meters from the front of my house and yet I never heard a thing.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could be back tonight to finish the job - after all you're one chain down already...

If I was you I'd beg, borrow or steal another lock until you can replace it. Plus, put a sign on the bike tonight saying something along the lines of "Smile, you're on CCTV" etc.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

randomspam wrote:
Sorry, if i wasn't clear, it's 2 different chains and a disc lock alarm. The HD chain died and was missing this morning other than a 1/2 a link left on the ground. The Hardcore chain faired better but has 2 significant dents in one of the links, they nearly got through it.

The HD chain was just as an extra deterrent, I knew it wouldn't be that beefy but I'm surprised at the apparent ease with which it was removed. My bike is about 5 meters from the front of my house and yet I never heard a thing.


They probably covered the head of the hammer with a cloth to muffle the sound of the hammer striking the chisel and usually the thiefs like to take your bike between 2am and 5am during when it's windy or in heavy rain to muffle the sounds of trying to remove your chains.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:
They probably covered the head of the hammer with a cloth to muffle the sound of the hammer striking the chisel


Why would they do that? Only a very stupid thief would try to get through a chain like that.

If you want to get through a chain fast, a thief would use boltcroppers which would on 90% of chains simply snip through the links or cable.

For chains that are too tough for bolt croppers, they could wrap it in a bit of tubular sponge pipe insulation, insert the tip of a can of liquid nitrogen and empty the can onto the chain. Wait about 2 mins and tap the chain sharply with just about anything and it will just shatter.

This is why chains are not really secure, they will only stop a chancer, but if someone wants your bike and is prepared to go out pre armed to take it, then its gone if all you have is a chain and the bike is in the street.

There are a few chains Ive seen that are sold as 'Freeze attack resistant', so its probably worth getting one of those and make sure its chained to something, such as a lamp post if there is no option other than the street.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a cheap alarm if you have chance. Or, lie in wait with a heavy blunt instrument.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once had the chain smashed on my old scooter, then they didn't bother to take the scooter. Might just have been 'practicing'.

An alarm is the way to go if you can hear it from your house, hell after the theft attempt on mine I would sleep with the window open so I'd be sure to hear them if they came back. Confused

Do try and take up all the slack in the chains if you can, it makes it a bit harder for them.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the advice chaps, I think the exposed slack on the chain hanging down from underneath the cover must be what caught their attention, I'll take your advice on that from now on Bendy.

As you all say maybe an alarm would be the best bet, I just don't want to have to sink even more money into starting up bike riding, it's certainly not cheap is it Neutral

I can only hope that my bike is there in the morning Confused
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh. Reminder to self: get something better than Oxford HD chain...
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.chain it
2.disc lock
3.cover
4. alarm Twisted Evil nice suprise when the try and lift the cover, and if the alarm comes with an led dont use it other wise they know theres an alarm to deal with


i HATE theifing bastards shud have there hands cut off Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
They could be back tonight to finish the job - after all you're one chain down already...

If I was you I'd beg, borrow or steal another lock until you can replace it. Plus, put a sign on the bike tonight saying something along the lines of "Smile, you're on CCTV" etc.


Or buy a fake CCTV camera, or even better, buy a CCTV camera, we had to put up 4 cameras around my house cos some shitty people in my area kept breaking my brothers car and managed to nick a couple grands worth of DVD, TV, stereo stuff out of his company minibus. Thieving bastards!

Wouldn't recommend waiting up for them unless you've got some useful police on speed-dial. Anyone trying to nick your bike will be very edgey and will do anything to get away with it. (Just thinking of your safety... exactly the same with crashes, bikes can be broken but we'd rather you weren't)
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might also be worth parking the bike somewhere else for a few weeks, if you can. That way, if they come back a couple of times it's not there.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks mate, I'd bring it inside the house for a night if it's an option, or cover the locks thickly with superglue Smile

Try and find somewhere high up to chain your bike too, so they can't get leverage with bolt croppers.

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PostPosted: 20:41 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

air gun out of the top window


and wait for the 'shit ive been shot' comments
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ric wrote:
air gun out of the top window

and wait for the 'shit ive been shot' comments


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PostPosted: 23:12 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sola-Larm do pagers as well, provided you're withing 250m of your bike (like at home) then it will beep like crazy if anyone sets off the sensors. My brother has a similar sort of thing from acumen and its got a good distance on it.

At least it gives you the option of calling police/getting licence plate/beating 10 tonnes of poo out of whomever is trying it Twisted Evil . I would put it inside until you work something out. Otherwise they will be back (probably better equiped) to finish up.

Good Luck. I really hate thieving scum who think they have the right to take what they want. Evil or Very Mad

P.S. Sorry, but what with things lately, I am really feeling that decent people who work for what they want always loose to the takers in life. Please someone start a thread to prove me wrong.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBRnick wrote:
Scotsman37 wrote:
They probably covered the head of the hammer with a cloth to muffle the sound of the hammer striking the chisel


Why would they do that? Only a very stupid thief would try to get through a chain like that.

If you want to get through a chain fast, a thief would use boltcroppers which would on 90% of chains simply snip through the links or cable.

For chains that are too tough for bolt croppers, they could wrap it in a bit of tubular sponge pipe insulation, insert the tip of a can of liquid nitrogen and empty the can onto the chain. Wait about 2 mins and tap the chain sharply with just about anything and it will just shatter.

This is why chains are not really secure, they will only stop a chancer, but if someone wants your bike and is prepared to go out pre armed to take it, then its gone if all you have is a chain and the bike is in the street.

There are a few chains Ive seen that are sold as 'Freeze attack resistant', so its probably worth getting one of those and make sure its chained to something, such as a lamp post if there is no option other than the street.


How do you know all this?

And on the same subject has anyone ever heard of any bike thieves getting caught and succesfully prosecuted ?
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 12 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

black gpz500s wrote:

How do you know all this?

And on the same subject has anyone ever heard of any bike thieves getting caught and succesfully prosecuted ?


You need to know your enemy to best defeat him.

I.e. you need to know the criminal's means of doing things to be able to defeat them with appropriate security. Fail to prepare : prepare to fail.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 13 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit. Thats pretty bad...

Im actually quite lucky.. My scooter is in my garage which is covered with the CCTV on 24 recording...

I also live in a close so theres no cars / dickheads passing through...
I also live a couple of houses down from one of the most well known Guys in the area (More like a ghetto) and Im pretty sound with him. If I can show him a picture of sombody, he can tell me who they are Cool

I know its a bit late now as your probably in bed and your bike is probably locked up but if I was you, I would talk to the wife (if there is one) and convince her to let you park the bike in the living room Twisted Evil
And then sleep on the sofa!

Other than that, Theres No real security you can take up.. if you fit an alarm, DONT put the stickers on the bike ffs. That way you are telling them EXACTLY what alarm system the bike has, and good theives know their alarms. Thumbs Up

Get yourself a dog Laughing

OR, If the bike is on your land (I.e. outside your front door) put a PIR sensor out there and wire it up to a flood light. That way if anybody comes near the house, the place is Flodded with light...

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PostPosted: 01:10 - 13 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:


OR, If the bike is on your land (I.e. outside your front door) put a PIR sensor out there and wire it up to a flood light. That way if anybody comes near the house, the place is Flodded with light...

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So they can see what they are doing better Evil or Very Mad I put Security lighting up exactly four days before my MZ walked.

A decent chain will laugh at bolt croppers. If they are going equipped with anything more fancy (liquid nitrogen/hydraulic shears), consider it gone regardless of what you do.

Argos do a CCTV system with a PIR video activation and time + date stamp for about 100 quid which if accompanied by the correct signage and a log of when the time was checked, is admissable in court.

I have had one bike theft (by a local toerag) result in prosecution and three months in a young offenders institute (there were curfew issues involved too). My latest theft looks like it is going to court too, the police have been round to ask when I am available to appear. Thumbs Up to my local coppers for being on the ball and spotting my bike at the filling station.

Complete contrast to Lothian and Borders police who once caught two lads riding my stolen moped and let them go without even taking their names.
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 13 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

With flood lights, I don't remember who it was but someone suggested on here previously to get a PIR sensor light, put the sensor up and extend the cable so you can put the other end inside or somewhere else. Then connect it either back to the light or to something else (loud buzzer?) and you've got yourself a make shift alarm. Only the slight issue of needing to be able to put the sensor somewhere where it won't be set of all the time by other things. Confused

If you've got a bike cover put that on the bike and connect a few rape alarms between the cover and the bike, if someone tries to remove the cover it'll make lots of noise scaring them off and hopefully waking you up. Just remember to take them off in the morning before trying to take your cover off. Razz

The chain being slack will mean they're able to work on the chain more easily to try and break it, the more you can put the chain around the harder it is for theives to try and break the chain.

Dependant on if you reckon they're planning on riding it away you could do something(s) to make the bike un-rideable such as remove the front lever, remove the footpegs, remove the gear lever, remove some fuses, unplug the coils if its not a faired bike, remove the two bolts which hold the brake calipers on, loosen the bolt holding the front brake lever on so it will fall out when they try and stop, remove the brake pads, loosen the bolts holding the clipons in place or if you're feeling elaborate you could change the wiring so your starter button is connected to the horn and put the starter wires elsewhere. If who-ever is trying to nick your bike is going to want to ride it away then some of these would stop the bike being able to easily be riden and the others will hopefully make them crash. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 02:04 - 13 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is all great until you forget you loosened the calliper bolts and ride off on it. Shocked

After all, how many of us have ridden off with a disc lock on? Embarassed
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 13 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Which is all great until you forget you loosened the calliper bolts and ride off on it. Shocked

After all, how many of us have ridden off with a disc lock on? Embarassed


ive done that with the monster boss disk alarm that was fun
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