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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I5s not the engine. I think your problem is at the other end of the tools.
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cresad
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

My Daughter has a ybr custom and when I had to change the head due to a different matter I found that if you didn't get the chain on properly the chain misses the bottom sprocket and slips. I ended up pulling the rotator off to make sure the chain was on as you can't see the sprocket otherwise.

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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

cresad wrote:
Hi

My Daughter has a ybr custom and when I had to change the head due to a different matter I found that if you didn't get the chain on properly the chain misses the bottom sprocket and slips. I ended up pulling the rotator off to make sure the chain was on as you can't see the sprocket otherwise.

Adam


This could well be what the Op has done, maybe it slipped a tooth on the drive sprocket when was tinkering but it sounds as if he cant
remove the rotor to check and see what's happened.

Apparently it was running ok until he improved it.....
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 03 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well its not the tensioner...

The chain is not even on the sprocket at the bottom!!

And even with all the shaking and moving it about its never gone on right...

Well now I have this borescope camera and can see what the crack is, I will hopefully be able to get it on!
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 03 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Can you see how your statements are contradictory? Auto adjusters don't have a way of manually adjusting and vice-versa.


Yes they do.

Virtually every auto tensioner has a method for for slackening off so it can be fitted often with a straight blade screwdriver. Many you can turn the fitting both ways so you can loosen or tighten.

Pretty sure your 1000 used a tensioner that you had so secure with a screwdriver to fit it.

Otherwise you're right.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 03 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

NagaNaga wrote:
Well its not the tensioner...

The chain is not even on the sprocket at the bottom!!

And even with all the shaking and moving it about its never gone on right...

Well now I have this borescope camera and can see what the crack is, I will hopefully be able to get it on!



Ahhh! so now we know
and the prize goes to Cresad
what did we learn?
Take the rotor off to check the cam chain is properly engaged
on the crank sprocket
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 03 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
NagaNaga wrote:
Well its not the tensioner...

The chain is not even on the sprocket at the bottom!!

And even with all the shaking and moving it about its never gone on right...

Well now I have this borescope camera and can see what the crack is, I will hopefully be able to get it on!



Ahhh! so now we know
and the prize goes to Cresad
what did we learn?
Take the rotor off to check the cam chain is properly engaged
on the crank sprocket


I did try that.. but I coudlent get it off!

Anway, Getting that chain on was a nightmare. Got it on after about and hour of messing with it.

Engine is running now. All be it with a bit of a rattle in the top end now. Re-Checked valve clearances and those are fine so not sure what this rattle is. Maybe it just didnt like being dismantled!

Will keep any ear on it. Its a short 3 mile ride to work so will take it slow and steady and see how it goes.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 03 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

NagaNaga wrote:
WD Forte wrote:


Ahhh! so now we know
and the prize goes to Cresad
what did we learn?
Take the rotor off to check the cam chain is properly engaged
on the crank sprocket


I did try that.. but I coudlent get it off!

Anway, Getting that chain on was a nightmare. Got it on after about and hour of messing with it.

Engine is running now. All be it with a bit of a rattle in the top end now. Re-Checked valve clearances and those are fine so not sure what this rattle is. Maybe it just didnt like being dismantled!

Will keep any ear on it. Its a short 3 mile ride to work so will take it slow and steady and see how it goes.


Previously you told us it was making a noise which prompted the initial dismantle - different now?

In between times you mentioned you tried the engine on teh starter with the cam chain off the bottom sprocket ..did you compression test after is was re-assamebled - a slightly bent valve will still run..
..for a while.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 03 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

NagaNaga wrote:
...Engine is running now. All be it with a bit of a rattle in the top end now. Re-Checked valve clearances and those are fine so not sure what this rattle is..

That engine probably has a pair of nylon cam chain guides. Maybe one of them has become damaged or loose.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 04 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
NagaNaga wrote:
...Engine is running now. All be it with a bit of a rattle in the top end now. Re-Checked valve clearances and those are fine so not sure what this rattle is..

That engine probably has a pair of nylon cam chain guides. Maybe one of them has become damaged or loose.

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PostPosted: 09:01 - 04 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

knowing what we know now, and re-reading your initial post, it would be interesting to try work out how the cam chain came to be off the sprocket. Like...did you remove and refit the tensioner which the rocker cover was on? No blame, just trying to work out how it came to be that the thing came off the bottom sprocket but you mention the cam chain is nice and tight in your original post seems to imply the tensioner was also fettled at that point.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 04 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly the OG noise I was hearing that I went investigating is still there. So no idea what that is yet. But its all working so.. I will just leave it for now.

The new tippy tappy sound is just the rockers/valves. I probably need to re-adjust the valve clearances. Plus it is a new valve.

I will be using the bike to get to and from work till Sunday and Monday when I am off I will give the engine a look over and make sure all is fine.

I have only been to work and back once and its a short trip, About 3 miles each way and the bike ran fine. No issues apart from the odd sounds I already mentioned.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do know that the one not against the adjuster is clamped between the barrel and the head.

What sort of mileage is on the engine as they're usually fairly resilient.

Adam
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 13 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a video showing the sound its making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YlcPOMjVO4

I have rechecked the cam chain tension today as well as re-doing the valve clearances.

Still noisy. The bike runs perfect apart from being very tippy tappy.

Cam chain guides are in place and fine also. Had a good look at them when the engine was apart.

The sound is 100% coming from the top of the engine.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 13 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your exhuast blowing? It can sound incredibly like a ticking noise...
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