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PostPosted: 13:13 - 22 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
Starmer resigning
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 22 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Starmer resigning

Sometimes you're better off with the devil that you know.
I fear that things may be about to get MUCH WORSE Neutral
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 22 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Starmer resigning

Sometimes you're better off with the devil that you know.
I fear that things may be about to get MUCH WORSE Neutral

Vive la révolution
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 23 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Starmer resigning

Sometimes you're better off with the devil that you know.
I fear that things may be about to get MUCH WORSE Neutral


That's a possibility.

Also a possibility that Burnham will call a snap election.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 24 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Starmer resigning

Sometimes you're better off with the devil that you know.
I fear that things may be about to get MUCH WORSE Neutral


Worse in what way? UK applying for the EU membership again? Well, that in fact could help your economy. Thinking
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 25 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
We voted leave so that goes against what the majority voted for
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 25 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We voted leave so that goes against what the majority voted for


The majority did not vote for it. The leave minority had more motivation to vote. Remain were complacent.

Polls now say that the majority of people in the UK believe it was a mistake to leave the EU. It certainly messed up immigration which is one of the things the leave camp campaigned on. We also have messed up our economy by being outside of the European single market, and a less strong EU is good for really only one person, and that is Vladimir Putin.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 25 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polls say whatever people are paid to say. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 25 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
We voted leave so that goes against what the majority voted for


The majority did not vote for it. The leave minority had more motivation to vote. Remain were complacent.

Polls now say that the majority of people in the UK believe it was a mistake to leave the EU. It certainly messed up immigration which is one of the things the leave camp campaigned on. We also have messed up our economy by being outside of the European single market, and a less strong EU is good for really only one person, and that is Vladimir Putin.


BBC is currently running an interesting documentary on the Brexit 'war'.
I voted leave - and like 70% of leave voters Ididn't believe it would happen. I've no regrets but it could have been handled better (on both sides), moreover if Remain had delivered a coherent positive and relevant campaign I might easily have gone the other way.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 25 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I voted leave - and like 70% of leave voters Ididn't believe it would happen. I've no regrets but it could have been handled better (on both sides), moreover if Remain had delivered a coherent positive and relevant campaign I might easily have gone the other way.


Two things swung it for me. Firstly the trade issue with the single market. Having seen first hand how much money comes into the UK because of trade with the EU that was going to be a huge sticking point.

But the real lightbulb moment happened with respect to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement. I did not realise that the agreement only works if there is free movement of both Northern irish and ROI citizens across the border. It has still yet to be satisfactorily solved, and is currently in the situation of a massive fudge. We can't have partial free movement across one border, sometimes perhaps maybe if we are not in the EU. It doesn't work like that. The alternative? We close the border and go back to the troubles of the 70s, 80s and 90s. That is a terrifying thought.

What has happened is that we've not gone back to that fighting and so on, but as it stands I don't think it would take much to go there, and nobody should want that, whether you live across the Irish sea or not.
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 26 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
RhynoCZ wrote:


Worse in what way? UK applying for the EU membership again? Well, that in fact could help your economy. Thinking


Would it? Is the Eurozone economy doing significantly better than the UK economy?
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 26 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:


But the real lightbulb moment happened with respect to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement. I did not realise that the agreement only works if there is free movement of both Northern irish and ROI citizens across the border. It has still yet to be satisfactorily solved, and is currently in the situation of a massive fudge. We can't have partial free movement across one border, sometimes perhaps maybe if we are not in the EU. It doesn't work like that. The alternative? We close the border and go back to the troubles of the 70s, 80s and 90s. That is a terrifying thought.

What has happened is that we've not gone back to that fighting and so on, but as it stands I don't think it would take much to go there, and nobody should want that, whether you live across the Irish sea or not.


I've come to the conclusion there is no solution to the NI issue. Whatever happens, there is a fair proportion of people on both sides who are irrevocably intolerant of the other side and will find an excuse to fight each other. It's nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with religious bigotry.

Free movement or the lack thereof has nothing to do with it, that's just a convenient excuse. NI and Eire (UK and the EU) could be fully integrated economically and politically and they would still hate one another. Just look at Glasgow as a microcosm of what an intergrated Ireland would look like, a huge majority of normal people with a hardcore of religious bigots intent on fighting one another using the thinly veiled excuse of -in this case- football team support.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 26 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I've come to the conclusion there is no solution to the NI issue. Whatever happens, there is a fair proportion of people on both sides who are irrevocably intolerant of the other side and will find an excuse to fight each other. It's nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with religious bigotry.

Free movement or the lack thereof has nothing to do with it, that's just a convenient excuse.


It was working before Brexit though, although oddly it seems Brexit seems to have triggered a weird racist element to the violence in NI now. It's not as if white people there were violent beforehand was it?
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 26 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:


But the real lightbulb moment happened with respect to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement. I did not realise that the agreement only works if there is free movement of both Northern irish and ROI citizens across the border. It has still yet to be satisfactorily solved, and is currently in the situation of a massive fudge. We can't have partial free movement across one border, sometimes perhaps maybe if we are not in the EU. It doesn't work like that. The alternative? We close the border and go back to the troubles of the 70s, 80s and 90s. That is a terrifying thought.

What has happened is that we've not gone back to that fighting and so on, but as it stands I don't think it would take much to go there, and nobody should want that, whether you live across the Irish sea or not.


If Remain had adequately highlighted this issue (they really didn't) then it might also have influenced me and many others. My vote was on a knife edge - but ceding too much power to The EU (since Maastricht and the days of the good old EEC) and seeing the gurning, arrogant faces of the EU officials like Martin Schultz swung it for me.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 26 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
We voted leave so that goes against what the majority voted for


The majority did not vote for it. The leave minority had more motivation to vote. Remain were complacent.

Polls now say that the majority of people in the UK believe it was a mistake to leave the EU. It certainly messed up immigration which is one of the things the leave camp campaigned on. We also have messed up our economy by being outside of the European single market, and a less strong EU is good for really only one person, and that is Vladimir Putin.


A little thing called Covid messed up the economy, followed by Ukraine

The majority of those who could be bothered voted leave.
Same as in any other poll - can't be arsed then tough if you lose
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A100man wrote:


If Remain had adequately highlighted this issue (they really didn't) then it might also have influenced me and many others. My vote was on a knife edge - but ceding too much power to The EU (since Maastricht and the days of the good old EEC) and seeing the gurning, arrogant faces of the EU officials like Martin Schultz swung it for me.


I fuckin' did highlight it!
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Four weeks until I’m made redundant. My finances are better than I thought they’d be so I’m going to retire. Can’t wait.
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Four weeks until I’m made redundant. My finances are better than I thought they’d be so I’m going to retire. Can’t wait.


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PostPosted: 21:17 - 26 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
A100man wrote:


If Remain had adequately highlighted this issue (they really didn't) then it might also have influenced me and many others. My vote was on a knife edge - but ceding too much power to The EU (since Maastricht and the days of the good old EEC) and seeing the gurning, arrogant faces of the EU officials like Martin Schultz swung it for me.


I fuckin' did highlight it!


Ah.. I only frequented the Workshop section in those days...
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 27 Jun 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:


Worse in what way? UK applying for the EU membership again? Well, that in fact could help your economy. Thinking


Would it? Is the Eurozone economy doing significantly better than the UK economy?


Well, I would assume that having access to the common market, meaning free movement of goods and ''access'' to Eastern European workers should improve your economy a bit on its own.
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RhynoCZ wrote:

Well, I would assume that having access to the common market, meaning free movement of goods and ''access'' to Eastern European workers should improve your economy a bit on its own.


So no then.
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