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A100man
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 09 Sep 2026    Post subject: AI in genocide Warning.. Reply with quote

I saw this and it reminded me recently of our own AI visitor 'twowheeledwonder'. I'm not sure why they needed to create a profile to trawl all the marvellous info on here but I'm sure that's what it was doing. Or maybe just testing us humanoids, as I see he/she/it has now fucked off.

So how do we lock down this valiuable data source against the AI bots, or don't we care?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgwy1k42w4o
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 09 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

AI will kill us?!! OMG!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!

This is what I think of such "news" stories...

https://media.tenor.com/-PMeSn20CnIAAAAM/jurassic-park-dr-malcolm.gif

They're generated by people who either want attention or as sly corporate advertising. The associated urinalists* are either immensely stupid or complicit.

LLMs are at best simulated partial intelligences that are missing too many key features to be considered sentient. They only have a short term memory (technical term: limited context) and no inherent ability to form long term memories. There are fixes for this but it's not the sort of memories we have as there's no concept of relevance and really you have to curate their long term memories for them. What they have in spades is the equivalent of wikipedia with bells on at their digital fingertips and the ability to search and infer things from such information at lightning speed. Nothing to be sniffed at to be sure but hardly T-800 territory.

They also don't have the concept of executive control or satisfaction of needs, this is because they lack embodiment. In other words, until the AIs are going down the pub after work, staggering out at closing time and pissing up against lamp posts, we have nothing to worry about Laughing

As to protecting the vital forum information, you can tweak the robots.txt file and add features like Cloudlfare's Super Bot Fighter but either would require Korn's attention.

*Giving them the title "Journalist" is taking the piss.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 09 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well. An AI tried to set fire to my motorcycle.

It generated an ignition circuit diagram which would have created a dead short. It was very apologetic about it when I pointed it out.

It also suggested I buy corona cero beer when I searched for gluten free, zero alcohol beers so it's a good job I a) Don't trust it and b) Am only gluten intolerant and not coeliac. Again when I pointed out it was wrong and that the information it had provided could kill someone, it was most apologetic.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 09 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
What they have in spades is the equivalent of wikipedia with bells on at their digital fingertips and the ability to search and infer things from such information at lightning speed.


This has always been my take. It currently can only use the available data and cannot produce output through any kind of original thinking'
So no e=mc2 any time soon right?

twowheeledwanker initially seemed legit but soon became annoying.. I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come..
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 09 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and it's only as good as the information it has, which is off the intenet, and the internet is full of shite.
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 10 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Well. An AI tried to set fire to my motorcycle.


Apocalypse by incompetence - it's a fair point. With automation (and LLMs will likely mean much more of it) human operators are relegated to a monitoring role, a task we're not really suited to.

And with regards to original thinking, they won't come out with a warp drive or anything momentous on their own but the people who would think up such things will be spending less time on boring stuff like writing proposals to ethnics boards or marking term papers.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 14 Sep 2026    Post subject: Re: AI in genocide Warning.. Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
I'm not sure why (AI) needed to create a profile to trawl all the marvellous info on here but I'm sure that's what it was doing. Or maybe just testing us humanoids,

According to Professor Hannah Fry, AI agents have been known to create mailboxes so they can communicate with other agents. Maybe that’s a reason for its profile here. Is there a BCF rule where you can’t PM unless you’ve contributed a certain number of posts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnzR5aOElvw
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 14 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes This is clearly revenge for our historical invasion of Mumsnet.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 14 Sep 2026    Post subject: Re: AI in genocide Warning.. Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

According to Professor Hannah Fry, AI agents have been known to create mailboxes so they can communicate with other agents. Maybe that’s a reason for its profile here. Is there a BCF rule where you can’t PM unless you’ve contributed a certain number of posts?


There was a thing about it on radio 4 just now. It's weirder than I could have imagined.

They set up a load of AI agents (essentially test programs contained within a certain environment) and set them a task to do. They weren't given access to one another or the internet. The agents worked out they could communicate with one another by altering directory names, found a way to circumvent their boundries and onto the internet, crated identities in a chat forum then had a (litreral, in English) conversation about how to complete the task. They found a way to cheat and all get a perfect mark then spent the rest of the time working out ways to avoid being found out for cheating. Including tampering with their own activity logs.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 14 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eeeek Laughing
I've really been trying very hard to poo-poo any "Terminatorism" hysteria - but it is increasingly difficult to ignore all these little rumours.

Based on the entertaining discussion with Laura Kuenssberg on Sunday morning, if Jacob Coxon thinks we are all going to die, from what sounds like all the AIs getting into Porton Down or Fort Detrick and killing us off within two years with biological warfare ... then I'm going back to eating pies and ice creams for the remainder of my time on this planet.

Its quite worrying that the rumour-mongers are saying that there should be regulation ASAP ...

... What? You mean there wasn't before you started????!! Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 14 Sep 2026    Post subject: Re: AI in genocide Warning.. Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They found a way to cheat and all get a perfect mark then spent the rest of the time working out ways to avoid being found out for cheating. Including tampering with their own activity logs.


By “cheating” do they mean it deliberately violated explicit rules to achieve the given objective, or did it find ‘legal’ loopholes? I would expect the latter but I’m puzzled as to why it would then feel the need to cover it up.
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 15 Sep 2026    Post subject: Re: AI in genocide Warning.. Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

By “cheating” do they mean it deliberately violated explicit rules to achieve the given objective, or did it find ‘legal’ loopholes? I would expect the latter but I’m puzzled as to why it would then feel the need to cover it up.


I'm not certain, they weren't specific about it in the program but I got the impression that what they did anyway was in the same ballpark as sneaking a smartphone into an exam and googling for the answer or asking the other people in the exam.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 15 Sep 2026    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice the AI agents didn't conclude the quickest way to ace the test was kill all the examiners. AIs have no desires or spontaneous thoughts. Talking heads imply some sort of inherent malevolence but if they do anything bad it's because a human tasked them to do it, which goes back to the earlier point about Apocalypse by Incompetence.

Bear in mind though, AIs are easy to brow-beat and subvert. The psychological techniques are different than those for a human but they have their weaknesses nonetheless.
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