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houlsby
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: knee down help! Reply with quote

been riding since september now. trouble is i can take corners fast but cant get a knee even near the ground! i feel like im goin to fall off everytime i get hung off properly and when im hung off my feet feel awquad ect as if im gunna bin it! really really could do with some help tbh otherwise its gunna be cali bike school when i done test! my sliders are almost brand new!
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably need to improve your flexibility and stick your leg out further and hang off further. It probably won't make you any more likely to go any faster though.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

houlsby, are you sure you've got your body position right mate? For me: left cheek needs to be where right cheek would normally be, right foot is on the ball on the end of the peg, with foot rotated inwards so heel ends up touching the bike, right leg gets pushed outwards and backwards - and I'm usually doing around 40mph at my local roundabout before it touches down.

If you're sure you've got all the above sorted and it's still not touching down, try giving the right bar a nudge and counter steer over that little bit more, it may be all you need!
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Re: knee down help! Reply with quote

houlsby wrote:
i feel like im goin to fall off everytime i get hung off properly


Yep, thats about right Laughing , You should be hooking your leg into the cut out part of the tank (where it narrows between your thighs) and using that to hold yourself on.

houlsby wrote:
when im hung off my feet feel awquad


Thats about right too....

Try riding with the balls of your feet on the pegs, instead of the instep, it allows you to pivot your heel in easier and pushes your knee out naturally.

I know you can't see my knee down foot with this photo, but look at the position of my left foot, and where it is on the peg.

https://img111.echo.cx/img111/5949/kd3.gif

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If you are ever in my area, shout and I'll teach you, but there must be someone around you somewhere that posts on here that can do it too.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike are you on? it does make a difference.

But to start off with you need to be doing 30-40mph and hanging off like a monkey.

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PostPosted: 18:07 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

'ave a squiz at this one:

https://www.inspired-dreams.com/cbr/kd001.jpg

I know it's still a bit dark, but I've lightened it as much as I can. Hopefully, this'll give you an idea of how far you need to hang off and if you look closely, you can just about see my foot position. Knee down is possible without leaning the bike quite as far, it's just that my leg isn't very stretchy! Wink
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

having never got my knee down either I still look at pictures like that and can't believe it is possible to make a bike do that! It looks like it's against the laws of gravity or something Laughing Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbrbiker wrote:
Knee down is possible without leaning the bike quite as far, it's just that my leg isn't very stretchy! Wink


Tis true, i'm quite supple and being 6'2" helps..... Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for Izzi... here comes the science bit!

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PostPosted: 18:20 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

izzi81 wrote:
having never got my knee down either I still look at pictures like that and can't believe it is possible to make a bike do that! It looks like it's against the laws of gravity or something Laughing Shocked


lol!! Laughing

I felt like that myself, until only last September, when I touched down for the first time (only been riding 5 years before hand)!!

I tell you mate, once you've done it, you can go again and again and again and again!!
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last time i got my knee down was this afternoon











































whilst putting the disc lock on the bike . Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:53 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same problem, Ive got zero chicken strips left on the back, Ive scraped pegs and everything. The damn knee wont reach the deck no matter what I do, Im about five ten and ride a CBR600. Starting to think it might be bloody impossible Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
Same problem, Ive got zero chicken strips left on the back, Ive scraped pegs and everything. The damn knee wont reach the deck no matter what I do, Im about five ten and ride a CBR600. Starting to think it might be bloody impossible Crying or Very sad


In that case, you are 100% body position. Don't push it any further or you'll run out of tyre!!! Shocked

If any of you lot live near the Herts Beds and Bucks area, I'll be happy to meet up and offer the benefit of my somewhat limited experience! Laughing

The popular place with us lot is Maple Cross - junction 17 of the M25. Traffic can occasionally be an issue, as can jobsworth citizens complaining to the cops (rare occurence), but the tarmac is great and the camber isn't too bad. Apparently Maple Cross has claimed more than it's fair share of knee down cherries! Wink

And for those of you a bit further north, head over to junction 27 of the M1 and keep an eye out for a red and black CBR600RR with "Slickfish" on the screen. He's a dab hand at it too - and he's a nice enough bloke. I'm sure he'll be happy to help! He has his own site for organising meets up there actually, www.bikersplayground.org.uk
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same problem here.

Final piece of chicken left the rear tyre tonight. Still no KD.
Feel like I'm horizontal in corners now. Very Happy

Guess i just need to shift my arse!
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
Same problem here.

Final piece of chicken left the rear tyre tonight. Still no KD.
Feel like I'm horizontal in corners now. Very Happy

Guess i just need to shift my arse!


Not just that, but the leg position too mate.

Try to keep the left leg and arm locked in to the tank. Another thing I found that helped is dropping my right shoulder into the turn. Just made things feel a bit more natural. I still do that now if I find myself a bit too rigid. Just drop the right shoulder and counter steer a little bit more...
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm - thanks for the advice.

I'll do some roundabout surfing on the way to work tomorrow and see what happens Very Happy
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Suzuki wrote:
Hmm - thanks for the advice.

I'll do some roundabout surfing on the way to work tomorrow and see what happens Very Happy


Wow. Not even waiting for the tarmac to warm up first?? Shocked Shocked

Toasty tyres + toasty tarmac = less likely to have an off!
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbrbiker wrote:
Wow. Not even waiting for the tarmac to warm up first?? Shocked Shocked

Warm tarmac??? Sure you're in the same country? Rolling Eyes

Maybe the way home then?? Confused
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 17 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
Warm tarmac??? Sure you're in the same country? Rolling Eyes

Maybe the way home then?? Confused


PMSL!!! Laughing

Yeah, ok, good point! Wink

Way home or lunchtime might be a better bet! Assuming it doesn't rain of course!! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 18 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

right so.... for a right turn its left cheek where right sould be... ball of feet, lock leg stick other out. is it sposed to feel like ur goin to bin it? had a bit of a moment before i started the post, think i hit some shit in the road, i was nearly down but it powerslided out of the corner an i shit it! Shocked cheers for the help guys (an gals) ill try it on the way home from collage tmoz. by the way im 6"2 on an rs125
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 18 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your pegs touch down, you've leant far enough!

My pegs went down before my knee did, that's a good starting point though, once they go down, you know it's all about hanging off from there on in.

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PostPosted: 00:24 - 18 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

houlsby wrote:
is it sposed to feel like ur goin to bin it?


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PostPosted: 00:29 - 18 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok like you are out of control then? just feels really wierd and unstable if you get me? like you are guin to jump off at any moment? ( im a bit scared of coming off since i crashed with head rolling bout a foot behind a 4x4 wheel)
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