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beeblemaster
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: M6 Toll - Are bikes free? Reply with quote

According to their website they still charge tolls for bikes, but I've been past a couple of signs indicating charges and the top line which had a bike symbol and charges are all blanked out.

The signs I've noticed are at Churchbridge, Cannock and at the Wall island on the A5.

Anyone know if they are charging or not?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err, last time I went down the M6 that far I saw new fares were coming in from the 21st of July, and bikes didn't feature on the new signs so I guess not!
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to this the prices went up by 50p for motorbikes in June, so I guess the signs are just covered up until they update them... Sad
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do get charged at the toll, give them the old MAG classic:

Take as long as possible to remove your lid, gloves and jacket, then rummage around in your inner clothing and present them with a crisp £20. Take your time arranging your change (coins in your pants, notes in your jacket), then ...slowly... zip up your jacket, and put on your gloves and lid.

After a while of EVERY biker doing this, bikes will get past for free.
even if its just to save the cashier the hassle!

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PostPosted: 00:21 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that they already had put the updated charges for all as I remember seeing "valid from xxx June" and now all of a sudden bikes have been blanked off.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once got let off for a toll on a bridge near Warrington/Lymm of 12p (I think)... even the lass on the booth realised it wasn't worth her while to have me blocking up the only toll booth trying to find some coppers... Smile
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Tolls do apply. There was a letter in MCN about it. Apparently they are getting loads of complaints from riders who assume there is no toll because bikes are no longer shown on the signs.

Suspect if we take our time then the operators will just up the price for bikes to cover their additional costs.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:30 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth a few quid of anyones money to hit it when it's quiet. Me and a mate went through it for the first time a few months back. Saw the signs "M6 toll" so nailed it believing the stories of no plod or scameras on the toll road (not true BTW). After hammering down the motorway at slightly more than the speed limit (no I haven't forgotten about the sneaky plod surfers) we hit the toll itself. We hadn't even got there yet. The signs were just indication the direction to go in not that you were actually on it. Confused

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PostPosted: 02:15 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

We went down it just last weekend.

Bikes are not free. We are now charged the same as cars. Evil or Very Mad The woman in the booth said that the "car" price is standard for all vehicles except those shown on the price list now.

£2.50 each. It's a lovely bit of road, but I won't be using it again soon....... Mad
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to www.m6toll.co.uk site the charges are £2.50 for bikes, or any vehicle wich less than 4 wheels (£1.50 at night). Pricing info click here.

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PostPosted: 11:15 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
£2.50 each. It's a lovely bit of road, but I won't be using it again soon....... Mad


I live about 10 miles from it, and it would be useful sometimes, but I refuse to use it and hope it goes bankrupt. Hopefully should not take that long as they made a £29,450,000 loss (expected 75000 cars a day, actual 45000).

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PostPosted: 11:18 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Suspect if we take our time then the operators will just up the price for bikes to cover their additional costs.

All the best

Keith


Not true, as was witnessed by the protests involving the Dartford Bridge/Tunnel.

A relatively small number of bikers took part in a protest a few years ago (I think about 100 in the morning, about 30 in the evening of the same day). We all rode as a group towards the tolls and queued in every queue.

Everybody had a £50 or £20 note. One bloke took TWENTY minutes to "find" his money and put all his gear back on.

By the time we had finished there was a two mile long tailback.

Shortly afterwards the toll was revoked for bikes.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:21 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
Bikes are not free. We are now charged the same as cars. Evil or Very Mad The woman in the booth said that the "car" price is standard for all vehicles except those shown on the price list now.

Incorrect - cars are £3.50, bikes are £2.50.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadie wrote:
Not true, as was witnessed by the protests involving the Dartford Bridge/Tunnel.


Difference being who funded the toll bridge and road. Those running the toll road are desperate to maximise their profit. The amount they would loose by upping the charges for bikes would be tiny (not many use it anyway), yet there is virtually no money in catering for riders.

Unlike the Dartford crossing which is in an area with a very large number of bikes and where there is no easy alternative. Furthermore the M6 Toll was always conceived as a toll road, while the Dartford crossing was only conceived to have a toll for a limited time (something that the government has turned its back on) with the operator only allowed to recover its capital plus interest with an incentive for a speedy handback.

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PostPosted: 13:01 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am getting in touch with them via the "contact us" section of their website:

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Can you please explain why Class 1 vehicles (ie motorcycles) have been taken off the displayed price listings on all the approaches to the Toll roads?

This is causing considerable confusion amongst the motorcyle community, with many people believing bikes are now exempt from the charge.


Perhaps if they had lots of similar queries they would respond?

https://www.m6toll.co.uk/contact.asp
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

no bikes are not free on the m6 toll
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:

Perhaps if they had lots of similar queries they would respond?

https://www.m6toll.co.uk/contact.asp



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PostPosted: 13:45 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going southbound, me and three other riders used the machine, when it was a pound (I struggle to find a pound in my leathers, let alone £2.50!) and four of us got through using one pound. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 19 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add my experience.

I was travelling back from Manchester a couple months ago. The signs were covered for bikes, so naturally I assumed bikes no longer paid. Got to the toll booth and the lady would not allow me through. I told her I had no cash, so she took my reg (they don't have a camera on your plate Smile and my name & address.

I rang up, explained about the sign and they told me I didn't have to pay as the signs were covered.

I doubt this would work twice.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I had a reply from Customer Services today. I'll post the whole thing up tomorrow (it's on my work email) but basically I think they were telling me that most of their customers are Class 2 vehicles (duh! Cars. Kinda guessed that!) and these customers are so stupid they can't tell the difference between a picture of a bike and a picture of a car on the price list and were getting confused.

They advise everyone who is intending to travel to check their website for prices first - not so easy if you're going to make a last-minute decision on which route to take based on traffic conditions and what the big price signs say huh?

I think I'm going to make this a personal crusade........... Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the reply i got off them

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Thank you for your recent enquiry.



The class 1 prices have been removed from our road signs in order to simplify the pricing structure we currently publicise. The vast majority of our customers are class 2 customers and many had been confused with the previous layout of the signs, which had led to confusion at some toll stations when paying. We advise all customers to check on our website www.m6toll.co.uk or call 0870 850 6262 for full pricing details before they travel. Class 1 travel on the m6 toll is not free, we’ve just removed reference to them from the signs. This is a temporary measure while we look to implement new signage across the whole route, which will benefit all our customers.



Thank you for your comments



Yours sincerely,


I replied something but i can't remember exactly what i said, and it's not in my outbox, but it was along the lines of discrimination the the minority and why should we have to check a website before leaving the house just because we are a smaller group. So i'll post the reply when i receive it.

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PostPosted: 21:00 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
and these customers are so stupid they can't tell the difference between a picture of a bike and a picture of a car on the price list and were getting confused.


says it all really. Rolling Eyes

If the majority of their business is Class 2 (Cars) why not make motorbikes free?

Surely if there is a charge for motorbikes they have to display the fact before you get to the toll booth?
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 21 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously a stock response Dom_ cos I'm pretty sure that was what mine said too.
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 21 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting view on pricing from Trading Standards (my emphasis):

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Traders must display prices for most of the goods they sell. Any pricing information given must be clear and meaningful.
What the Law Say's

* Normally, when goods are offered by a retailer there must be a written indication of the selling price.
* If goods are exposed for sale, the price can be on the goods themselves or on a ticket or price list close to them. If the goods are not on view, the price must be on a price list or in an advertisement or catalogue.
* Each price must be unambiguous, easily identifiable with the goods, and clearly legible.
* Any price given for goods or services must not be misleading.
* All retail prices must include VAT. If there are any non-optional extras which must be purchased with the goods, their price must either be included in the main price or displayed just as prominently together with an explanatory statement.
* Price comparisons should be factual. Do not use descriptions such as 'worth' or 'valued at'. The abbreviations 'RRP' and 'man. rec. price' are permissible. All other abbreviations should be avoided.
* All price comparisons must be clearly explained and must not mislead in any way. When advertising price reductions, the; comparison is assumed to be with the last selling price of the same item at the same premises. If this is not the case the comparison must be fair and meaningful and must fully explain the circumstances when the higher price applied.

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