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White Noise
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 23 Jul 2005    Post subject: bike buying advice - police involvement Reply with quote

o.k i've seen a bike that i want to buy, already looked it over in the flesh, going for a test ride on tues night. if the test ride goes well and everything seems sound then i am going to buy it there and then. now the problem that i have is the bike will need to be transported back to my house (2 hour journey).
going to get insurance sorted during the day for the bike as i am sure i want the bike. so riding it will be legal from that point of view, if the bike turns out to be a dud then i will cancel the insurance.
the problem is that the bike has been kept off the road so needs MOT/Tax, MOT is being sorted buy the owner but the bike will have no tax due to it not being insured for the road.
my question is if i ride the bike with no road tax what is the worst punishment that i could get from a copper if i get pulled? will be getting the tax the next day with a faxed copy of my cover note
i am guessing it is likely to be a producer, but not too sure.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 23 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The police do not care about tax these days. They just report it to the DVLA who want their money.

Technically it is illegal to ride without tax. However, doing someone who has just picked the vehicle up having bought it would really be taking the piss.

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PostPosted: 23:08 - 23 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

give the owner the £45 to get the tax for it?
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White Noise
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 23 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
give the owner the £45 to get the tax for it?


the bike isn't insured for the road so hence you can't get it taxed, it would be £60 anyway! Laughing Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 23 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it. I haven't displayed the tax disc on any of my bikes for the last four years. I have been stopped by the police twice in that time, got done for speeding the first time and was stopped to be generally hassled and inconvenienced on Heartside pass the second time. There was no disc on display either time and its absence was not commented upon.
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easy
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

No tax = unroadworth.

Unroadworthy = no insurance.

You'd really have to piss the copper of for him to do that though. If you do get stopped just hope the plod's wife hasn't just left him and run over the cat as she pulled out the drive, to meet a bloke who looks a lot like you. Laughing
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Jamie_ducati
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PostPosted: 05:36 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

The police do not care about tax these days. They just report it to the DVLA who want their money.

Technically it is illegal to ride without tax. However, doing someone who has just picked the vehicle up having bought it would really be taking the piss.




It is not the Police who prosecute for no tax, it is the DVLA. The police simply advise dvla of any they find, although these days the dvla know anyway from their computer.

My advice from experience is that if you take the v5, insurance and mot certificates with you, along with a cheque written out for the amount to post office limited, that you will be ok.

Even if the police did put a report in to the dvla, they would not be bothered because you will have taxed it by the time the dvla get the report. At very worse case they would ask for back tax, which at worst case would be a month.
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PostPosted: 05:41 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Noise wrote:
dodsi wrote:
give the owner the £45 to get the tax for it?


the bike isn't insured for the road so hence you can't get it taxed, it would be £60 anyway! Laughing Twisted Evil
WN



hmmmas kickstart said ....just a case of reporting to the DVLA .....what you buying that has £60 tax ....im guessing a 750 or over Very Happy as thats wat the duke cost ....

no MOT , again relatively minor and as long as the bike doesnt look like its falling apart shouldnt have any worries Very Happy
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Black Knight
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode my bike back around 50 miles without tax. I really wouldn't be worried about it. Just make sure you don't go past any cameras. They don't seem to have as much discretion as a real police officer.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may end up with a minimal fine for failure to display a valid VEL but thats about it.... Tax doesn't affect your insurance in any way so don't worry.
Make sure that when you do tax it that you do it from the 1st of this month, not to start on the 1st of August Mr. Green
VEL is not the concern of the police anymore but no tax generally means no MOT or Insurance, provided to have a recipt for the vehicle and your going from the vendors address to yours you'll be fine.
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AcIdBuRnZ
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Main thing is that you are licensed and insured.

Just explain you just bought the bike and you're gonna got it MOT'd and Taxed soon as insurance docs come through.

Or words to that effect.

Most coppers are descent with stuff like this.
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White Noise
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Make sure that when you do tax it that you do it from the 1st of this month, not to start on the 1st of August


sorry am i being stupid but why?
nice to gets some reasurance from a copper.
looks like tuesday is going to be a wet day so it looks like i will be riding it home at 60 anyway! probibly get stoped for riding slowly on a sports bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Noise wrote:
Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Make sure that when you do tax it that you do it from the 1st of this month, not to start on the 1st of August


sorry am i being stupid but why?
nice to gets some reasurance from a copper.
looks like tuesday is going to be a wet day so it looks like i will be riding it home at 60 anyway! probibly get stoped for riding slowly on a sports bike Laughing
WN


You said at Boxhill that this bike would never see the rain Wink

You gonna be showing it off next Sunday then at Boxhill?
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White Noise
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i buy it then yes, it all depends on how it feels on the test ride
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy wrote:
No tax = unroadworth.

Unroadworthy = no insurance.



Err...no it doesn't. Its the MOT that proves roadworthyness, but only at time of test. tax has nothing to do with it. Having no tax does not invalidate your insurance, nor can it add points to your licence, just a fine.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You been robbing banks? Wink
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White Noise
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

the joys of a 2.5K loan Rolling Eyes Laughing
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R6jonny
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Noise wrote:
the joys of a 2.5K loan Rolling Eyes Laughing
WN




what bike did you buy though ?????
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably an R6 Smile
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White Noise
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
probably an R6 Smile


nope! Laughing

hopefully going to buy it on tuesday, will post some of my own pics up when i get it! Thumbs Up
bring on tuesday Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

its it the big green one? Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is the only time in my life i am going to say this tatters, but its not as big as yours Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 24 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may well not tell people what colour your new bike is.

I'll have you know young man that driving a vehicle without a tax disc is a very serious matter. Every time you drive a vehicle on the road without a tax disc you are defrauding the government of valuable money.

It may not seem like much to you my son, but what if that money was going to be used to buy me a shiny new truncheon and a new pea for my whistle? Didn't think of that did you?

It'll serve you right if someone drives past your house with a small number plate and I can't arrest them because my whistle doesn't work!

Rest assured I will be keeping a careful eye out in the Brighton area for any motorbikes, green or otherwise that have no tax disc on them.
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