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Andy C
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Test advice Reply with quote

ok ive been in L-plates for.....well too long for me anyway and ive booked my theory for saturaday morning and being revising with the CD's that mondeo kid kindly sent me so that i can hopefully pass.

i have £250 in my saving acount left over from the sale of my moped (was £350 but had to spend £100) and if i pass i am going to go for my test. ive been riding a geared 125cc for 2ish months and confident with gear, riding technique etc etc. ive doing abut 1700miles on it already so quite used to it.

what i would like to ask is do you think i need 1 or 2 days training before the test?

i e-mail MAS training in brighton (where i my CBT) and they said £120 per day including bike hire (my RS isnt suitable due to powervalve) and test £55 including bike

if i only do 1 day and test it will be only £170 and 2 days is £295

opions please and do those rates sound fair?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was in a very similar position to you, i took no training and failed my test. i failed on getting too close to the centre of the road on country roads, which is sort of up for interpretation i guess. i didnt drop a single minor on the U turn or emergency stop or rear obs or anything, just practice the manuevers and for moving out left in your lane or turning left do a right mirror-left mirror- over left shoulder check, for right turn or moving over to the right in your lane, left mirror-right mirror- right over shoulder check. i got a test re-booked with no further training, i figured the test costs £50, the cheapest training i could find was about £150, i cna afford to take and fail 3 tests for the price of the training and the examiner tells you were you failed aswell as you get test experience so it gets rid of your nerves. i think i will pass next time, if so im saving £100 over training! Thumbs Up
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Andy C
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

so have you failed once and going for it again? i dont think ill try that as im sure a few of my techniques have got quite sloppy since my CBT but i know think that 1 day training would be better idea!
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hia, i passed my test the other day. I'd been riding an NSR for a year but still did a days training before my test which i feel is definately beneficial as it helps you brush up on observations and l/savers etc.
So i would say definately do a days training min. then do your test because after all theres no point in trying to cheat your way round learning how to ride properly and safely just cos of money. Only my opinion though.

Hope this helps,

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Andy C
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers steve i think thats what im going to do as i think im a fairly resonable driver but if an instuction rode with me im sure there would have a long list of little things im not doing, lifesavers defernetly being one of them!!!

You pass first time?
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rates are very very expensive, but you are down south.

I paid £15 per hour for my lessons on own bike, ( £20 per hour with their bike otherwise).

I had 2 lessons, 6 hours in all, but I did have the bennefit of 16 years car driving and had done 2000miles on a CG.

Check out other schools, there was one up here that wanted to charge me circa £100 a day, find one where they will do an hourly rate.

Lessons were a deffinate, he showed me where the examiner likes to fail you, for that reason it was worth it.
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Stevie B
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

No probs. Yeh thats all it is, brushing up on stuff you sometimes forget to do when riding every day.
Yeh passed first time, i didn't really think i rode too well on my test so was expecting bad new when we arrived back at the test centre but i ended up getting 4 minors so i obviously couldn't have been too bad.

Its nothing to worry about mate, you'll be fine if you've already got experience. Just make sure you concentrate, listen carefully to the instructor and DON'T RUSH anything!
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Andy C
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea that was i was thinking, so anyone got any tips of things to practise/brush up on before i go for the lessons? any comments would be good
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beefy
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

question is u feel comfortable with your riding great it will help the thing is u need as much training as possible the thing is look at it this way sometimes taken the easies route is the longest wouldnt u rather take an extra day and sorta guarntee your pass a bit more cause if u fail its another few hundred quid and more time to wait. ive had full licence for 3 years ride a zx6r 97f3 since passing my test that was my 1st bike legally on the road bear in mind i have ridden since early teens and even my self took the full time just to stamp a bit of guarntee on it its not how u read its how they want u to ride .
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
i was in a very similar position to you, i took no training and failed my test. i failed on getting too close to the centre of the road on country roads


surely that would only be a minor mate?

I take it country roads are different to normal roads in regard to lane position? on normal roads the dsa say to stay in the centre of the road.
Kind of makes sense for country roads staying on the left because of the sharp blind bends (safer to be on the left than in the middle).

round here they do by the hour as well same price (15 and 20 ph). Run a few yell.co.uk searches for trainnig centres and ring them all up ask about it. I'm only going to book one lesson before my das just to get the parts to look out for on route where they like to fail you.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I did. Got an hours lesson once a week after which I had the rest of the week to practice what I had learned.

The main thing with getting some lessons is that they will take you round the routes used for the test (there ore only usually two or three fixed routes the examiner will use in each town). They will tell you points where other people have failed in the past and anything to watch out for (like there was an unmarked crossroads on my test route which would get you two minors for observation and speed if you didn't slow down through it)
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yea that was i was thinking, so anyone got any tips of things to practise/brush up on before i go for the lessons? any comments would be good


I only did my DAS a few months ago so will happily share some random thoughts that come to mind based on some of what I remember.

1) Ride like you're in Swan Lake i.e. keep it smooth - much of this will be down to your observational skills, looking ahead far enough and anticipating traffic movement etc
2) TOSSA i.e. you are one if you don't Turn Off Signal Straight Away
3) Lifesavers, obviously, but also remember to look in mirrors and over your shoulder before moving away from a standing start, be that from traffic lights, junction or any other scenario.
4) Regular mirror observation (and make it really obvious for examiner's benefit) including prior to changing speed and positioning.
5) Again, sounds obvious but keep up to and within speed limits.
6) U-turns - some people get a mental block with these; try and imagine it as half a mini-roundabout if it helps. I always found that keeping plenty of revs up is key - bike ain't gonna run away with it because you're using the back brake to control the speed.
7) Keep to the centre of your lane where you can- forget, for your test, any "fancy stuff" about using the whole road when cornering.
8) When the examiner asks you to pull over, usually before briefing you for an u-turn and emergency stop, make sure you don't stop across someone's driveway and give yourself plenty of space in front to pull away again.
9) When he sends you around the block for the emergency stop, have a little practice on each road i.e. 3 times in a square street system - it'll give you that extra bit of confidence. Having executed the emergency stop don't forget to immediately check over right shoulder then left shoulder before paddling to the side of the road without delay. Not a big deal if you stall apparently but try not to.
10) Keep your distance from the vehicle in front (Only a fool breaks the two second rule). Keeping your distance is also important when in a queue.
11) Don't even think of filtering between traffic even if tempted (strange notion for an existing rider, I know); you're not expected to do it and are potentially opening a can of worms for yourself. Just be happy sitting in a queue, waiting for the clock to run down.
12) Keep it tidy with the feet when moving off and coming to a stop. By that, I mean left foot last to leave the road and first to touch down. Some schools of thought take a different view on which foot to keep on the floor but this is how I was taught and tested.
13) Put in a mirror check every time you see hazard signs, again make it obvious so examiner can see you're reading the situation and picking up on these things.
14) Don't cut corners
15) General awareness and planning including response to signs, markings, other road users etc

Like I say; just a collection of random thoughts, really. There's probably duplication in some of the above points and I'm sure none of it's revelationary but maybe useful to see in writing just as pointers/ reminders if nothing else. Hope it helps.
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mchaggis
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAF wrote:

11) Don't even think of filtering between traffic even if tempted (strange notion for an existing rider, I know); you're not expected to do it and are potentially opening a can of worms for yourself. Just be happy sitting in a queue, waiting for the clock to run down.


Your examiner might filter and ask you to follow, but it's unlikely unless there are serious tailbacks.

Make sure you get the U-turn down pat! Doh! Embarassed
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Boon
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just go for the 1 day. I sat my test after 2 years on the road with L plates (but been on bikes off road since i was 6) and 2 1 hour lessons. One lesson the week before my test and the other an hour before my test. Got 1 minor for control on my U turn as my foot twitched like i was going to take it off the peg.

Can't tell you what you need to do or should do, its how confident you would be about passing after only one day training!

good luck anyway.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 10 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

a friend of mine knows some1 who has failed by putting there leg down, 1 more tip wen making a u turn in the road dont be shy to rev the bike and just control it off the clutch it dont sound nice but who cares lower your revs harder it is to turn remember its all in the clutch not in the sound
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