Diffrences 600 1000???

[A J]

I just want know how much real power diffrence there is between the 600 sports and the litre sports.

I know the statistics but are they really that much faster and powerfull that you have to be extremly carefull when opening the throttle etc?

Would you be a quicker rider if you swapped your 600 for a thou or would it not make much diffrence?

This is not for me thinking that if i got a thou i would be valintino just when i see bike reviews they always say that you have to be so carefull on them etc.

[Dom_]

Yes there is a huge difference.

If anything your riding skill would de-crease if you swapped for a thou, you'd become a lazier rider.

[craigie b]

Why?

[dransy]

Because you have so much power and have to do nothing to get it its just there instantly in 1 big lump
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[cc123]

There wouldn't be much in the 0-60 time, maybe the 0-100 time but only after then would you see huge difference in accelerations times.

I had a go on an old R1 off the back of my Ninja600 and thought fcuk!

Wouldn't make you any better though, after 2 weeks ago seeing 125's to 1400's keep within the same time and speeds almost, through miles of country B-roads. All depends on how much your willing to push..

There's only so fast you can go before your having to slow again.
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[johnsilva]

[dibbster]

[craigs23]

Hate to butt in here, but that's Yamaha's claimed power figure at the crank, not the rear wheel. The same site says that the R6 makes 92.7kW (126 HP) @ 13,000rpm.

[EllioTT_GiXXeR]

If you want a 1000, get a V-Twin, sound the best.

Big difference in the power tho.

[Silver]

Figures don't tell the whole story; I went from a 100bhp ZX6R to a 125bhp GSXR750 and the difference in grunt and speed is awesome.

[CoronaBoner]

Interesting subject. I have wondered too what differences a 600 to a thou would be. Although im more than happy with my 600.

Why is it that they are restricted to 186mph though? I knew the Busa had this but didn't know others did too.

Would love to try a thou though, I got a quote on a RSVR .. £3000 fire and theft only 19/garaged/2-3 years NCB.

thats when dreams don't come true.

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[Gracie Jones]

He said he knew the stats, so we start on about stats!!

Basically, a litre bike will wheely off the throttle in many gears, probably up to 3rd. You will be able to make the wheels spin changing gear and you will also be liable to make the rear wheel spin quite easily coming out of corners, giving possibility of high-side.

A really top 600 will do similar, but most 600s will not. e.g. my 98' model ZX6R won't do any of the above - although having said that I am not a particularly hard rider.

[Gazdaman]

I've never ridden a litre bike.

But I've ridden an R6 and a VFR800, the VFR was quite noticably quicker, the front came up in third without even thinking twice.

I've not ridden either bike hard enough to know about any of the other wheel slidey side of things.

Gaz

[dodsi]

After riding the ER-5 the onto a bandit the bandit felt fast.

Had a go on Black knights VFR750 (after being bullied into it and threatend with beatings if I didnt) as I did decline the offer straight away!

The VFR felt amazing. Its like riding in the powerband of a 600 in any gear all the time.

The torque of the bigger bikes is the cool thing. you can burble along at 30mph in third, blip the throttle and the bike just takes off the same as your 600 would if you got it into the sweet spot.

But then it just gets faster and faster.

also its smooth too, you dont realise as its so easy to get well above 100. I had the VFR above 100 the first time I rode it really quickly.

600's are fast...bigger bikes are imense.

[Zen Dog]

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[Gracie Jones]

VivaCity - you really are a total nob jockey aren't you? A million apologies for flaming / thread-jacking, whatever . . .

How was my post remotely off-topic?

Ever since I pointed out that you are an unreconstructed racist all those months ago, you have negatively rated a number of my posts.

Stop being such a small minded prick. You are hiding your anger behind giving people poor ratings, which I also see you give the gay-boys because their threads are 'boring'.

If you want to say something, say it out in the open. Stop being such a coward.

[ZZRman]

[tooldaddy]

i have been reading all the responces to your question with much merryment .
at the end of febuary last year i traded my 99 r6 in for the 04 r1 .

i have had the r6 for 2 years and have done track days and raced arround the local mountain roads . then when i got the r1 i had to re learn how to ride a bike . as they are chalk and cheese .

its like comparing a lada with binding brakes to a ferrari .
and you need arms of steel to steer with as they dont like to turn when ridden hard .

you also have to factor in the extra running costs , ie , tyres , fuel , brakes , insurance , chains , tyres . underpants .
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[Bendy]

[G]

Two main things with a thou:
The decent acceleration carries on further, meaning you can accelerate at 90 as hard as you can at 50 on the 600. In a similar fashion it continues to accelerate well enough into double figures where the 600 bogs down a bit.

Low down power; 600s are still relatively fast low down, but when compared to a 1000 they feel quite gutless; down gear a 1000 and you'll get decent acceleration in top gear at lows revs still. Whatever, you'll have a much broader range of torque, so less gear changing is needed to get the same effect.

[MarkyPancake]

[kaillum]

i had a CBR600.. and recently moved up to an RSV Factory...

The CBR felt quick.. Would pull up in 1st & 2nd with a quick crack of the throttle... The RSV on the other hand will pull up in 1st & 2nd without a crack of the throttle..

I test rode an R1 before buying the RSV.. and at 100mph in 3rd.. crack the throttle and the front wheel points at the sky.. Scarily quick!

Where the 600's 'feel' quick.. the 1000's ARE quick.. similar 0-60 times.. (well. all less than 4 secs!) but the 1000's just keep pulling.. and pulling.. and pulling.. and pulling.. and then you change gear and it happens all over again!

[Walloper]

[Dom_]

You mis-understand me. I don't mean lazier as in slower, i mean lazier!

With the smaller cc bikes you need to go through the 'box to keep the revs high where all the power is. With a big bike, where you'd drop a couple of cogs on a smaller bike, you'd probably just give a fist full of throttle on a 1000cc or similar and it would have enough torque to pull you out of the corner sharpish.
Obviously i worded what i said wrong, i didn't mean to say skill would de-crease. But you would become less bothered about getting every last ounce of hp coming out of a corner, simply because theres so much already.
Don't confuse what i just said with becoming a slower rider though, obviously you can still hit stupid speeds and go round the twisties/track at a good pace, but you'd need to work a lot less than someone riding a 600 would.
Insurance companies insure on claims/hp/area/background - millions of different things, not theorys.

As for needing more skill on a bigger bike, thats questionable. I have first hand experience, i was on the back of a mates 18 year old cbr 400, on the way back to the cat and fiddle from matlock, we actually went around the outside of a rsvr factory and he never caught up with us. The exact same can be said for a crap rider on a 400 and a good rider on a 1000, but the principle remains, you don't need to have more skill to ride a big bike. You need more skill if you want to ride a big bike fast.