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 Posted: 20:46 - 02 Sep 2005 Post subject: Plans to Kill Biking |
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Anti Biking Policy! - The madness stops here
Heres the thing, its a bout time that bikers unite in this country and stand up for our selves, noone else will do it for us, i am sick and tired of restrictive legislation coming from Brussels or our own so called government. Through reading MCN over the past two weeks i am shocked to learn of a proposal to ban biking in the UK and elsewhere, what right have they got to do this? It is already inforce in Sweden and Bikes have been outlawed, turning honest people into criminals overnight.
To help stop this i am setting up a dedicated 'pro bike, anti Vision Zero website', which will then have all the comments printed out and sent to MEP's, Party Leaders, the cabinet and the DfT
https://geocities.com/luke_tarplin -with your views and support. remember first bikes, then who? |
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https://home.clara.net/survivalskills/what_s_new.htm
Read this:
| Quote: | Comment: 19 August 2005
Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated
If you picked up Wednesday's (August 16) copy of MCN, you might have been forgiven for putting any plans to buy a new bike on permanent hold.
The scare story that MCN got hold of for its "Death of Biking" front cover is the European "3rd directive on driving licences", which has just completed its first reading. MCN's response was to expose the so-called "secret plans to phase out biking".
Unfortunately the source for these wild claims was a press release from the Motorcycle Industry Association. Just as Oscar Wilde's alledged demise was premature, the sums that the MCIA come up with to demonstrate that the licencing provisions will kill biking, supposedly halving the number of bikes on the road, are based on some pretty fanciful assumptions.
They looked at the effects of previous legislation, made the unsubstantiated conclusion that the fall in numbers of bikes on the road in subsequent was the result of that legislation, extrapolated that to fit the restrictions proposed for 2011, and came up with the numbers. No other factors, economic or social, were considered.
Quite aside from the lack of any statistical validity, the death of biking has been reported before. Decades ago helmet laws were supposed to kill biking, as was the original 250cc learner limit, then the later 125cc limit and CBT, and so was the more recent introduction of Direct Access. Moreover, noise regs in the 80s and emission regs in the last couple of years were going to emasculate the bikes we rode into toothless wonders.
In fact, DAS provided a shot in the arm for the acceptable face of biking, bringing women riders into biking in serious numbers. The technical restrictions simply encouraged new technology and arguably improved bikes. One can't help but hear "wolf" being cried once again.
There is no doubt that many of the proposals in the directive are swinging, discriminatory against one group of road users (motorcycling), and almost certainly ill-targeted in terms of the goal of reducing accidents, but when the MCI make statements like: "Once again Brussels is ignoring road safety evidence so that it can simply blame motorcyclists for motorcycle accidents, while ignoring the deficiencies of other road users" is there any wonder that the popular press goes over the top?
Unfortunately motorcyclists ARE to blame for fatal and life-threatening injury motorcycle accidents, as statistics have constantly shown, and even in urban conditions where the finger can be more reasonably pointed at car drivers as the main culprit, riders rarely have the awareness and skills to avoid crashing.
Whilst it's only fair to say that a very selective quotation was taken from the full press release, nevertheless putting OUR house in order is critical if we are to be taken seriously at Government or EU level.
Which leads us to an interesting "boot on the other foot" situation. The MCIA claim that Europe doesn't listen to them.
Lest we forget, back at home in the UK there is a growing market for post test training as riders look to improve their skills, and many trainers actively trying to improve their own skills. Unfortunately, the MCIA are at the forefront of imposing Driving Standards Agency regulations which will arguably restrict the activities of advanced instructors by refusing to recognise existing qualifications and imposing a compulsory syllabus.
The recent "consultation" and the serious objections raised are unlikely to cause the DSA to think again. The key decisions had clearly been made before the document was released.
And why are the MCIA supporting this register and compulsory syllabus? Because it's politically expedient for them in the UK to be seen by the UK authorities to be doing something positive about bike accidents, even if the measures have not been researched in any meaningful way and with no evidence of any subsequent benefit to the rider.
I wonder if the irony of the situation will escape the MCIA? |
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MCN has a rubbish headline in every issue just to get you scared and buy it.
All I can say though, if this was to happen, I know for a fact Northern Ireland would never pass such a law. Too much road racing heiratage and all. ____________________ Northern Irish? www.nibikers.com |
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It might happen. But it'll take an awful lot of legislation and government opposition.
If you think about it, they'll also be forced to reconsider the legal age for driving a car.
Personally, I can't see it happening. And anyway, if you're already a biker, what's the problem ?
Just sit back, relax, and watch the whole thing fall on it's face
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I remember reading somewhere that during the 70's (?) some minister for transport at the time made 'leg savers' compulsory !! The result was something like 200,000 odd bikers riding in protest through London and soon after leg savers disappeared...... along with the minister.
A law is only enforceable if the people 'truly' want it and banning motorcycles is not going to be easy if 1 in 5 Male's in the UK hold a full licence for them.
Also I understand Sweden have not banned bikes just yet but are still trying to. They have a policy called 'vision zero' in which the aims are to reduce serious injury and death to zero by 2020. A bit far fetched I think as people in Sweden like their thrills just like anyone else and protesting will soon take place if it goes any further. Imagine how many bikes could be bought together in one place if riders in Sweden starting appealing to other countries to join in with their protest rides!!!!
Also don't forget that by introducing silly ill thought out regulations can have a serious impact on trade. It won't be easy for the Swedish car manufactures if they suddenly have to make slow heavily restricted cars as they just won't sell outside their own borders... I think those manufacturers will have something to say and considering they will contribute heavily to the countries income it will be a voice to be reckoned with.
In short relax, no one is likely to want to stick their head out and enforce something that will likely incur large protest from voters. (and before you all scream out "fox-hunting" - those who protested about that ban were not those likely to vote for the present government, bikers on the other hand probably will) |
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Yeah its mainly rubbish, i have been reading the past few days on euro legislation on emissions and licences for bikes and what not, and i've yet to see anything remotely like banning motorbikes.
More likely the EU is pushing for some newer type of test/s for future bikers, i think there just trying to get better riders on the roads or more to the point riders who own large capacity sportbikes and are better at controlling their bike.
Hell if anything comes from this it'll probaly mean a more advanced rider test and maybe a free trackday  ____________________ ****NORTHERN IRELAND NEWSFLASH!!**** According to a recent survey, 94% of loyalists said the best sex they ever had was in the shower; the other 6% haven't been to jail yet.*** |
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News just in - Apparently MCN has it that from a "certain cabinet minister" wanking like a monkey will soon be punishable by hanging by the bell end! It could mean the end of masturbation as we know it!  ____________________ 'Allo! My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die!
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How much extra did you have to pay for that channel?  ____________________ 'Allo! My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die!
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| musclebiker wrote: | Anti Biking Policy! - The madness stops here
Heres the thing, its a bout time that bikers unite in this country and stand up for our selves, |
Or you could join MAG or the BMF who are constantly fighting for your right to ride a motorcycle, if you didn't already know it.  ____________________ Pete - Honda FJS 600 ABS Silverwing Maxi Scooter
Previously owned - Piaggio X9500sl, Kwak GT550, GT750, ZZR600, ZX9R, MZ ETZ250, Yam Divi900, TDM850, Honda C90, CG125, CB400N, CBF600SA.
I won't die on my bike, probably a few minutes later in a nearby field. |
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Come on guys i am very skeptical about this issue as well but it really doesnt suprise me. Why is a ban on biking so hard to beliveve, they ban everything else these days, i signed just as a protest against this Euro-loving, bullshit swallowing country. What harm can it do just to sign
https://geocities.com/luke_tarplin ____________________ Stupidity is unbeatable, but that doesn't mean we should give up fighting it. |
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It is all just a great big rumour caused by some minor Swedish government official saying that if all bikes were banned, they could reduce traffic accidents. It spread and grew, and MCN got their hands on it.
In summary, it is a load of ballocks.
https://www.bikersrights.com/world/sweden.html
They have the misplaced idea that transport can be safe, and that there should be zero tolerance of KSI accidents. They have their heads in the clouds as you might expect. ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 20 years, 295 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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