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musclebiker
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Plans to Kill Biking Reply with quote

Anti Biking Policy! - The madness stops here

Heres the thing, its a bout time that bikers unite in this country and stand up for our selves, noone else will do it for us, i am sick and tired of restrictive legislation coming from Brussels or our own so called government. Through reading MCN over the past two weeks i am shocked to learn of a proposal to ban biking in the UK and elsewhere, what right have they got to do this? It is already inforce in Sweden and Bikes have been outlawed, turning honest people into criminals overnight.

To help stop this i am setting up a dedicated 'pro bike, anti Vision Zero website', which will then have all the comments printed out and sent to MEP's, Party Leaders, the cabinet and the DfT

https://geocities.com/luke_tarplin -with your views and support. remember first bikes, then who?
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, stop reading MCN - it's full of shit!
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

it might be quite fun if it became illegal
fuck the system, ride a bike and smoke weed (not at the same time)

bikers wd become even more cool cos what they were doing would be AGAINST THE LAW !!!

imagine sneaking you bike out into the street and pushing it down the road so your neighbours dont know its you who has it

cloak and dagger nice

a bit unlikely tho
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: bikes Reply with quote

MCN have been saying bikes will be banned since it started.

I wouldnt worry about the politicians banning biking, Id worry about them giving all our oil and Petrol to the Americans. If you read all the scare mongering Petrol will be £1.20 a litre by the end of October with shortages here in the UK.

Maybe thats the ploy. No Petrol No bikes. Dam clevery these politicians. So we have to look for an alternative fuel for the bikes.
My suggestion is to burn politicians as an alternative fuel.

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PostPosted: 21:12 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://home.clara.net/survivalskills/what_s_new.htm

Read this:

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Comment: 19 August 2005
Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated

If you picked up Wednesday's (August 16) copy of MCN, you might have been forgiven for putting any plans to buy a new bike on permanent hold.

The scare story that MCN got hold of for its "Death of Biking" front cover is the European "3rd directive on driving licences", which has just completed its first reading. MCN's response was to expose the so-called "secret plans to phase out biking".

Unfortunately the source for these wild claims was a press release from the Motorcycle Industry Association. Just as Oscar Wilde's alledged demise was premature, the sums that the MCIA come up with to demonstrate that the licencing provisions will kill biking, supposedly halving the number of bikes on the road, are based on some pretty fanciful assumptions.

They looked at the effects of previous legislation, made the unsubstantiated conclusion that the fall in numbers of bikes on the road in subsequent was the result of that legislation, extrapolated that to fit the restrictions proposed for 2011, and came up with the numbers. No other factors, economic or social, were considered.

Quite aside from the lack of any statistical validity, the death of biking has been reported before. Decades ago helmet laws were supposed to kill biking, as was the original 250cc learner limit, then the later 125cc limit and CBT, and so was the more recent introduction of Direct Access. Moreover, noise regs in the 80s and emission regs in the last couple of years were going to emasculate the bikes we rode into toothless wonders.

In fact, DAS provided a shot in the arm for the acceptable face of biking, bringing women riders into biking in serious numbers. The technical restrictions simply encouraged new technology and arguably improved bikes. One can't help but hear "wolf" being cried once again.

There is no doubt that many of the proposals in the directive are swinging, discriminatory against one group of road users (motorcycling), and almost certainly ill-targeted in terms of the goal of reducing accidents, but when the MCI make statements like: "Once again Brussels is ignoring road safety evidence so that it can simply blame motorcyclists for motorcycle accidents, while ignoring the deficiencies of other road users" is there any wonder that the popular press goes over the top?

Unfortunately motorcyclists ARE to blame for fatal and life-threatening injury motorcycle accidents, as statistics have constantly shown, and even in urban conditions where the finger can be more reasonably pointed at car drivers as the main culprit, riders rarely have the awareness and skills to avoid crashing.

Whilst it's only fair to say that a very selective quotation was taken from the full press release, nevertheless putting OUR house in order is critical if we are to be taken seriously at Government or EU level.

Which leads us to an interesting "boot on the other foot" situation. The MCIA claim that Europe doesn't listen to them.

Lest we forget, back at home in the UK there is a growing market for post test training as riders look to improve their skills, and many trainers actively trying to improve their own skills. Unfortunately, the MCIA are at the forefront of imposing Driving Standards Agency regulations which will arguably restrict the activities of advanced instructors by refusing to recognise existing qualifications and imposing a compulsory syllabus.

The recent "consultation" and the serious objections raised are unlikely to cause the DSA to think again. The key decisions had clearly been made before the document was released.

And why are the MCIA supporting this register and compulsory syllabus? Because it's politically expedient for them in the UK to be seen by the UK authorities to be doing something positive about bike accidents, even if the measures have not been researched in any meaningful way and with no evidence of any subsequent benefit to the rider.

I wonder if the irony of the situation will escape the MCIA?

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PostPosted: 21:15 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN has a rubbish headline in every issue just to get you scared and buy it.

All I can say though, if this was to happen, I know for a fact Northern Ireland would never pass such a law. Too much road racing heiratage and all.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they did make bikes illegal I'd just move somewhere warmer where I could play/ride.

The UK is a bag of shite anyway. Can't say I'd miss it. (Although the UK is alot better than some places).
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might happen. But it'll take an awful lot of legislation and government opposition.

If you think about it, they'll also be forced to reconsider the legal age for driving a car.

Personally, I can't see it happening. And anyway, if you're already a biker, what's the problem ?

Just sit back, relax, and watch the whole thing fall on it's face Thumbs Up



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PostPosted: 22:16 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN is full of some of the biggest shite I have ever read.
Never take whats printed with more than a pinch of salt
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading somewhere that during the 70's (?) some minister for transport at the time made 'leg savers' compulsory Mad !! The result was something like 200,000 odd bikers riding in protest through London and soon after leg savers disappeared...... along with the minister.

A law is only enforceable if the people 'truly' want it and banning motorcycles is not going to be easy if 1 in 5 Male's in the UK hold a full licence for them.

Also I understand Sweden have not banned bikes just yet but are still trying to. They have a policy called 'vision zero' in which the aims are to reduce serious injury and death to zero by 2020. A bit far fetched I think as people in Sweden like their thrills just like anyone else and protesting will soon take place if it goes any further. Imagine how many bikes could be bought together in one place if riders in Sweden starting appealing to other countries to join in with their protest rides!!!!

Also don't forget that by introducing silly ill thought out regulations can have a serious impact on trade. It won't be easy for the Swedish car manufactures if they suddenly have to make slow heavily restricted cars as they just won't sell outside their own borders... I think those manufacturers will have something to say and considering they will contribute heavily to the countries income it will be a voice to be reckoned with.

In short relax, no one is likely to want to stick their head out and enforce something that will likely incur large protest from voters. (and before you all scream out "fox-hunting" - those who protested about that ban were not those likely to vote for the present government, bikers on the other hand probably will)
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 02 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah its mainly rubbish, i have been reading the past few days on euro legislation on emissions and licences for bikes and what not, and i've yet to see anything remotely like banning motorbikes.

More likely the EU is pushing for some newer type of test/s for future bikers, i think there just trying to get better riders on the roads or more to the point riders who own large capacity sportbikes and are better at controlling their bike.

Hell if anything comes from this it'll probaly mean a more advanced rider test and maybe a free trackday Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 03 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
I remember reading somewhere that during the 70's (?) some minister for transport at the time made 'leg savers' compulsory Mad !! The result was something like 200,000 odd bikers riding in protest through London and soon after leg savers disappeared...... along with the minister.


They were not made compulsory, but he did talk about it. The minister was Peter Bottomley. The year was 1988. It lead to riders rights day in London attended by 25000 riders on 17000 bikes. Peter Bottomley did not disappear, they sent him to Northern Ireland.

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PostPosted: 01:02 - 03 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit Laughing


Kickstart wrote:
Peter Bottomley did not disappear, they sent him to Northern Ireland and then he promptly disappeared

All the best

Keith

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PostPosted: 01:20 - 03 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiral wrote:
Edit Laughing


Kickstart wrote:
Peter Bottomley did not disappear, they sent him to Northern Ireland and then he promptly disappeared

All the best

Keith


lol Laughing
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PostPosted: 04:05 - 03 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

News just in - Apparently MCN has it that from a "certain cabinet minister" wanking like a monkey will soon be punishable by hanging by the bell end! It could mean the end of masturbation as we know it! Shocked
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PostPosted: 04:09 - 03 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bomberman wrote:
News just in - Apparently MCN has it that from a "certain cabinet minister" wanking like a monkey will soon be punishable by hanging by the bell end! It could mean the end of masturbation as we know it! Shocked


I saw a monkey w@nking once on TV. Funny as sh1t. Laughing
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PostPosted: 04:18 - 03 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much extra did you have to pay for that channel? Wink
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PostPosted: 03:47 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

This as has been sad is a complete load of Bullock poo. Most motorcyclists use their bikes as a hobby (and the majority of politicians see it as an extreme hobby). Now imagine if the government were to ban biking. They would then also have to ban anything that was considered overtly/unnecessarily dangerous. That pretty much covers all physical activities then.

I dont see this ever happening to be honest. There are always going to be people who will want to ride bikes, whatever the restrictions on licensing may or may not be.
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the government kills biking then move to sunny South Africa.

There are no restrictions on a learners license if you’re over 18. Just take a test on the highway code, road signs etc and ride off on a BUSA.

Petrol is half the price of the UK’s

Keep off the freeways and you see very few cops and speed traps.

Number Plates are becoming optional. About 80% of sports bike run with no plates.

No snow or ice in winter, it’s a piece of old tacky to ride ALL year.

The road tax is under a tenner per year.
Insurance isn’t compulsory

You only need an MOT when a bike changes hands.

Seriously though, despites MCM’s scare tactics to push sale, I’m astounded at the level of population control in the UK. What’s the point of democracy if you can’t do what you want.

P.S. I moved from Blackpool to Joburg many years ago.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Plans to Kill Biking Reply with quote

musclebiker wrote:
Anti Biking Policy! - The madness stops here

Heres the thing, its a bout time that bikers unite in this country and stand up for our selves,



Or you could join MAG or the BMF who are constantly fighting for your right to ride a motorcycle, if you didn't already know it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever know any tabloid hack/journo who let the truth and a few facts get in the way of a decent story? Neither have I, especially one from the MCN.

Sensationalism at it's best is what we have here. I have 3 words to say....

pinch of salt.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on guys i am very skeptical about this issue as well but it really doesnt suprise me. Why is a ban on biking so hard to beliveve, they ban everything else these days, i signed just as a protest against this Euro-loving, bullshit swallowing country. What harm can it do just to sign
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm living in darkest Africa and heard nothing about bikes being bike being banned in Sweden !!

What happened ithere??
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is all just a great big rumour caused by some minor Swedish government official saying that if all bikes were banned, they could reduce traffic accidents. It spread and grew, and MCN got their hands on it. Rolling Eyes

In summary, it is a load of ballocks.

https://www.bikersrights.com/world/sweden.html

They have the misplaced idea that transport can be safe, and that there should be zero tolerance of KSI accidents. They have their heads in the clouds as you might expect.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 04 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

While reading the posts it sounded like Sweden had done the deed. Those Scandinavian types do get a bit carried away, their brain must get frost bite in winter.

For a while i thoughtI must be really out of touch in Africa.
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