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PostPosted: 19:23 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: do i need indicators for a daytime mot ? Reply with quote

do i need indicators and mirrors for a daytime mot ?
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK if indicators are fitted they should be in good working order, but I don't think it's a requirement to have them as they are not the only way of signalling a change of direction.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes unless the bike is old like 1985 old i think??
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not for an MOT but yes maybe depending on type of bike for construction and use regs.

In theory if any part of the indicators are still intact such as the switch the indicators should work for the MOT.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

so if the bike has never been fitted with indicators or mirrors cos its been a race bike, I wdnt need them for an mot then ?
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As i understand it mirrors are compulsary but indicators aren't (providing you use your arm to signal).

I hope so anyway because i've been riding around with no headlight or indicators (back don't work either when fronts aren't plugged in) for the past week while i repair my fairing.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Re: do i need indicators for a daytime mot ? Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
do i need indicators and mirrors for a daytime mot ?


Who WOULDN'T want indicators..... Shocked

Perhaps those who like those crazy hand signals that no-one remembers.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
so if the bike has never been fitted with indicators or mirrors cos its been a race bike, I wdnt need them for an mot then ?


Only if it is old enough, and that would not cover a 5 year old road bike which was converted to a track bike.

There is a difference between MOT worthy and getting a bike registered for the road.

The rules on daytime MOTs are dubious. To be honest I am not even certain that there really is such a thing without reading the MOT rules in a certain way.

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PostPosted: 21:12 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the bike was designed for offroad use i.e motocross, trackdays then you DON'T need indicators for the MOT. You don't need mirrors either!

The only time you'll really miss indicators is when turning right at a roundabout, oncoming traffic wont stop for you so you'll have to plan a route with no roundabouts or take chances, TBH I'd get it sorted with some indicators.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can assure you that you do not need mirrors for an MOT. Not sure if a 'daylight only' MOT actually exists as such any more.

Here are the vehicles exempt from indiactors according to the testers manual:

Quote:
This inspection applies to: all machines except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:
. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the machine presenter should be issued with an advisory notice recording the above and it should also be recorded on the carbon copy of the VT20.


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If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
. cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or
. was first used before 1 August 1986, or
. 'off road' machines which are designed
to carry only the rider.
. 'off road' machines with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.

off road machines are constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise).


https://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_150.htm
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
so if the bike has never been fitted with indicators or mirrors cos its been a race bike, I wdnt need them for an mot then ?


Was it designed as a race bike? if so it wouldn't have a registration.

Do you think a Policeman will not nick you if he feels like it just because you try to talk around him when you don't know the regs Very Happy

Fit some indicators and stop playing games. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive ridden bicycles for years so im used to using arm signals. The connections on my indicators have played up on frequent occasions so Im used to doing arm signals on that too.

Im not bothered about beings topped by a copper as its unlikely but what i need to get through an mot is more important.

I'll ring a few garages tomorrow and see if they do daytime mot's and what the rules they follow are.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mirrors you dont need for a MOT

indicators you need if you have a switch.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sounds promising
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 13 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who needs indicators and mirrors?? Your on a bike and you be WAY ahead of the competition on the road Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need mirrirs or indicators for a daytime MOT. It didn't matter whether the switch for the indicators was there or not as far as the last MOT bloke that slapped a daytime MOT on my last bike was concerned.

But the MOT bloke did say that if you had one one light working you had to have them all working. I was dubious about not having a brake light!
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx. a definitive answer from dark just after i phoned an mot place that told me the same thing Smile

although apparently i need to have a horn
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do, although you can take the piss a bit. Smile

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PostPosted: 12:26 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool Smile
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahahahahahahahaha

You're going to buy that triumph aren't you ya dumb bastard. Lets see if they give it an MOT when you turn up and have to lean it against the wall to park it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:26 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

the funny thing is, its actually gonna be more tricky to get an mot for the speed four (unfaired tt600) as it doesnt come with a legal can but the race tt600 has both.

The seller of the speed four reckons I could get a triumph dealer to lend me a legal can for an mot but my local triumph dealer doesnt do mots.

I have no problem leaning a bike against a wall as i did it for months with my rs125.

Dont call me a dumb bastard u ignorant prick. Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
the funny thing is, its actually gonna be more tricky to get an mot for the speed four (unfaired tt600) as it doesnt come with a legal can but the race tt600 has both.


Be very careful about day time MOTs.

From the MOT manual about headlights:-

MOT Manual wrote:

This inspection applies to: all machines, except those which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are
. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the vehicle presenter should be issued with an advisory notice recording the above and it should also be recorded on the carbon copy of the VT20.

A motor bicycle first used before 1 January 1931 does not need a headlamp.

A motor bicycle is only required to have a dipped-beam headlamp (but may also have a main beam) if it:
. was first used on or after 1st May 1995 and cannot exceed 30 mph / 50 kph with an engine capacity not exceeding 50cc. or
. was first used before 1 January 1972 and with an engine capacity of less than
50cc.
. any machine having a maximum speed not exceeding 50km/h/30mph


To me that can easily be read that you can only have a day time MOT on a bike registered before 1st January 1931.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i spoke to the mot tester up the road from me and he is happy to do it as long as i fit a horn. If he gives me the mot certificate Im not bothered about whether he understands the rules right.

If it comes to it, I can always fit lights for a few hundred anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 14 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Depends if you get given a defect ticket from a copper who decides to be a pain, giving you 2 weeks to get it sorted or scrapped. The MOT does not make it legal.

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