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colin1
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PostPosted: 06:37 - 25 Oct 2005    Post subject: fitting an immobiliser to a bike Reply with quote

is this easy ?
is it much better than removing a fuse ?
how much would i pay for an immobilser for a sports 600 ?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 25 Oct 2005    Post subject: Re: fitting an immobiliser to a bike Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
is this easy ?
is it much better than removing a fuse ?
how much would i pay for an immobilser for a sports 600 ?


1 yes if your mechanically minded

2 yes because you dont need to carry an allen key around with you everywhere

3 theres plenty on ebay ranging from dirt cheap to expensive but personally i'd pay more than 50 for one
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 25 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate has a system he got off ebay for about £40,

Fitted it for him, but it came with no instructions on how to work the fob... he managed to arm the bike, and then set the alarm off.

This then meant that he had immobilised the bike. At this point we could not work out how to mobilise the bike again. And as a result had to strip that section of wires out. So now just the alarm works.

If i was you, get a decent one. 80-90 £ Minimum, and make sure its a known brand. Else you could be in for some trouble if and when it goes wrong.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've said before on other threads I wouldn't bother with an immobilizer they are dangerous.

scenario......
You have the bike cranked over in a bend and the immobilizer develops a fault cutting your engine. I'll let your imagination do the rest.

Professional thieves don't care if your bikes immobilised they just wheel it into a transit van.
The only people it will put off is opportunist thieves and you can get the same effect from a bit of wire and a flashing led costing about a pound.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

«Mõgg¥»…® wrote:
As I've said before on other threads I wouldn't bother with an immobilizer they are dangerous.


An ECU failure would do exactly the same thing as an immobiliser failure. Can't get away from electronics on a bike.

I've never heard of an immobiliser failing whilst riding. Plenty of ECU failures mind. I think dangerous is a bit of a dramatic assessment. But you certainly shouldn't fit one unless you know what you're doing.

My insurance company wouldn't insure the MT-01 unless I had one fitted.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

«Mõgg¥»…® wrote:
As I've said before on other threads I wouldn't bother with an immobilizer they are dangerous.

scenario......
You have the bike cranked over in a bend and the immobilizer develops a fault cutting your engine. I'll let your imagination do the rest.



Time to clear up your misconceptions.

A modern alarm immobilises at a couple of points neither of which should stop your bike dead. 1st point is at the starter relay and 2nd point is normally at the fuel pump. As long as the ignition sensor wire is on the ignition not somewhere like the brake light live it shouldn't cut the ignition unless the main fuse blows.

How is an immobiliser any more dangerous than blowing the main fuse or any other electrical fault?
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems I'm a little out of touch with technology of today so I will take back the comments on them being dangerous Doh! but even so unless you need one for insurance purposes you can get the desired effect at a fraction of the cost with a flashing led. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The immobiliser I fitted at the weekend was only connected to the starter relay. It cost £18 as an add-on to the alarm, which cost £70. The only bonus it has over the standard alarm is that it triggers the alarm as soon as the ignition switch is on, and obviusly the starter motor is disabled.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my bike cut out while riding it because of the immobiliser. Thankfully though I was only travelling in town at the time and was slowing for a T junction at the time.
What happend was that the battery in the unit actually leaked and destroyed the circuit. So I could start the bike but every 30 seconds it would cut out, I was just glad that I was a mile from home and not out for a long run at the time.
I ended up having to buy a whole new alarm system although I did get it discounted from the manufacurers and I only had to unplug the unit and replace it with the new one.

Also on a side point, I've noticed that while doing insurance quotes they only ask if the bike is immobilised not alarmed.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

«Mõgg¥»…® wrote:
but even so unless you need one for insurance purposes you can get the desired effect at a fraction of the cost with a flashing led. Wink


Especially a nice blue flashing one from maplin Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

«Mõgg¥»…® wrote:
but even so unless you need one for insurance purposes you can get the desired effect at a fraction of the cost with a flashing led. Wink


A cheap alarm/imobaliser off ebay (£25 - £30) will deter the casual thief that's come prepared with a screw driver and hammer to do your igntion barrel.

It won't stop someone sticking it in a van, but for the price it's better than nothing (and comes with remote start/stop often, all sorts of fun Smile ).

Once I'd worked out the odd wiring on my TRX it was fairly easy to install, on a normal bike, shouldn't be a problem.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another thing to go wrong and leave you stranded. Bike wiring looms are well made, but do not appreciate cask handed chopping of wires to fit aftermarket devices.

If you get one then do a good job of fitting it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:17 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least having fitted mine myself, I know exactly which wires need to be recconected to which to get it working again if the alarm gives up.

Learnt a fair bit about how the rest of the wiring loom works, as it's got a negative start circuit, which had me confused for a while.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
Well my bike cut out while riding it because of the immobiliser.


Which alarm system and how old?
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Mr.Everready
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 26 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a Solalarm 835T alarm / immobiliser, Thatcham Cat 1.
It was on the bike when I bought it so I didn't know when it was fitted. The alarm has a 2 year warranty but when the fault occured the bike was just over that old so I couldn't prove what age it was so had to replace it myself rather than under warranty.
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