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gimpy limp
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: does anyone have just third party cover on their bikes? Reply with quote

i'm not sure wether to go for third party as its always locked up in a safe garage with an immobiliser, chain, alarm and disc lock. you'd need 12 guys with arms like popeye to lift the fat heffor into a van. I wont be leaving it out of site in non public places and its worth about 200 quid!! if i had tpft and it was stolen i wouldnt claim even then because insurance would go up. The bikes worth naff all really I can pick up a nice one for 400/500 quid readily on ebay or through the club.

1980 cx500 zero ncb:

- third party is £116.11
- tpft is £175.40
- fully comp is £506.25

really good online quote from here :
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/#

anyone else have third party? is it a bad idea doing it on that cover?
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its not worth that much then fine. My 125 was third party only as TPFT was £450 and the bike was only worth £400 so it was pointless. Now im TPFT but may go fully comp if I can find it cheap enough next time I renew.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends if you can afford to replace the bike if it catches fire or get stolen. I would only use TPO on a bike that cost less than £500 or possibly if it was the fire & theft excess plus the premium exceeded the replacement cost of the bike.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

125's more readily grow legs and go walkies aswell dont they I suppose, lift a 125 with 2 (maybe 3) people into a van and can be used offroad. My bike is rediculously top heavy no chance of someone getting that into a van.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

gimpy limp wrote:
125's more readily grow legs and go walkies aswell dont they I suppose, lift a 125 with 2 (maybe 3) people into a van and can be used offroad. My bike is rediculously top heavy no chance of someone getting that into a van.


Easy enough with a van and a ramp.
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Marcg868
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go fully comp, my brand new cbr 125 was insured tpft only, i now havea 500 pound bill or something similar to pay becuase local plod wont pay out. And i cant claim on the insurance, fully comp is worth it whatever the bike i reckon. Unless is a shed thats already fooked.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not with a chain and disc lock to immobilse the wheels I wouldn't imagine, a ramp would do them no good. It's about 30% more top heavy than the average 500 road bike.
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PostPosted: 06:58 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with TPO mate, its not worth the extra £££ and hassle of making a claim, then declaring that claim for FIVE years!

I think its Kickstart that keeps his bikes on tpo policies too.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:
Go fully comp, my brand new cbr 125 was insured tpft only, i now havea 500 pound bill or something similar to pay becuase local plod wont pay out. And i cant claim on the insurance, fully comp is worth it whatever the bike i reckon. Unless is a shed thats already fooked.


Why would the local plod have to pay out?? Confused Confused Confused
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muddycoffee
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should consider what it costs to get another similar condition bike of the same type, maybe from ebay.
If you can get one for less than the price of your insurance after a claim for a replacement bike. Then don't bother with theft, as it's not worth it.

Also remember that sometimes they don't give you very much for your old bike when they pay out.
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Robby
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

TPO.

As you said yourself, it isn't economically viable to make a claim.

If it gets nicked you buy another one for a similar amount and pay your insurance company a £25 admin fee to transfer the policy.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:
Go fully comp, my brand new cbr 125 was insured tpft only, i now havea 500 pound bill or something similar to pay becuase local plod wont pay out. And i cant claim on the insurance, fully comp is worth it whatever the bike i reckon. Unless is a shed thats already fooked.


What would your excess be on a fc policy though ? Chances are it will not be far of £500 so you still wouldn't make a claim.
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ISLAND GIRL
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a new rider and only a yr old bike I have gone fully comp and was pleasantly surprised now reasonable my insurance was. I queried if it would be best to have it in my hubbys name as he has full licence and been riding for approx 8 yrs now but they said no. So I got it in my name with him on it just incase mine is out and he needs to nip out and its under £180 for the year! And that includes replacement bike if my is damaged, breakdown cover and up to £100k to cover legal costs etc. Think we get a better deal down here on the Island anyway as theft etc is not considered as bad as it is on the mainland, dont get me wrong it does happen.
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G
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:

What would your excess be on a fc policy though ? Chances are it will not be far of £500 so you still wouldn't make a claim.

And he'd lose his no claims and if it was a claim relating to the bike being stolen he'd have to get new insurance I believe and he'd have to admit a claim, meaning higher insurance.

All in all, you could easily find your self paying out a fair bit over £500 just for the sake of your insurance company paying out £500.

If we're talking recovery charges etc, then fully comp might make sense, but only if you're claiming for a load more in addition.
Under £2k I'd be a bit iffy on getting TPFT for a moderate to high insurance group bike and a young rider, probably £4k-£5k for fully comp and young rider.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the XJR on fully comp, but the Zephyr is third party only.

I only take the Zeph out every 2 or 3 weeks to keep her roadworthy and to have a bit of fun. I initially got the 3rd party only insurance to go to a Zephyr meet just after I bought the XJR and have carried it on.

I use e-bike insurance and pay £10 a month, with 0 ncd. (£3 of this is admin charge!)

I can stop the insurance at any time. It's monthly pay as you go.

The Zeph is chained up in the garage and I just hope that she doesn't get nicked or flamed.

I put her value at £800 for insurance (but to me she is closer to £1000) Wink

For a cheap bike or 2nd bike I'm happy to go 3rd party only.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

im TPO, a risk i know, but its all i can afford Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I think with those premiums I might be tempted to go tpo. Surprised that the difference is that large though (I have heard of plenty of people getting quoted more for TPO than for TPFT).

The Bandit is fully comp, the FZR is tpft and the rest are on a classic policy so are fully comp.

Bike fully comp policies rarely cover personal injury to the insured which is commonly included in car policies.

gimpy limp wrote:
125's more readily grow legs and go walkies aswell dont they I suppose, lift a 125 with 2 (maybe 3) people into a van and can be used offroad. My bike is rediculously top heavy no chance of someone getting that into a van.


Don't you believe it. Couple of scaffolding poles through the higher parts of the frame and 4 blokes can easily carry it away, especially as they will not be that bothered about damaging it. Disk locks and the like can also be easily defeated. Apparently the trick for alarmed bikes is they use old refridgerated vans picked up cheap because the refridgeration unit has packed up, as these also happen to be sound proof.

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PostPosted: 12:10 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually for me TPFT is cheaper!

I currently have TPFT on my current bike @ £180, TPO was something like £210.
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gimpy limp
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

zephyrgirl wrote:

I use e-bike insurance and pay £10 a month, with 0 ncd. (£3 of this is admin charge!)

I can stop the insurance at any time. It's monthly pay as you go.


I just tried getting a quote from them as paying monthly and being able to cancel it without a charge sounds much better for me but the skanky mingrats want £488.25 for third party only Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if i had tpft and it was stolen i wouldnt claim even then because insurance would go up.


You have answered your own question. I would also say, if the bike is worth under £1,500 it is highly debatable as to if it is worth claiming for.

Even if you do claim they do their level best to screw you over and fuck you about.

With my most recent claim, the inconvenience and time waiting really made me wonder if it was worth the effort. I think my conclusion is that it wasn't. Had I taken the loss myself and patched up the bike, I would have had it back on the road within a week rather than getting a decision on a payout some three months later.

Cheap bike = TPO. Although do check, some companies are actually cheaper for the TPF&T than they are for TPO. Strange but true!
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm TPO, couldn't see the point in TPF&T, as in the event of a claim, the excess would take nearly all the value of the bike, and i'd have to decalre the claim for the next 200 years or so!

If the bike (or car) is worth more than you could afford to spend replacing it, or mending it, go TPF&T or FC.

horses for courses really.

do whatever suits your circumstances.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Location, location, location.

I live in a very low risk area, when I was getting my car insured it was something like £248 TPO and £255 TPFT. I thought 'why not', as it's only a few quid, but I probably wouldn't ever use it anyway, I wouldn't want to lose the NC.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cars are much more often only slightly more in my experience.

Insurance for the van with Norwich Union who only do TPFT or FC was about £100 less than the next lowest TPO quote!
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have TPFT on my DT 125 because I am worried about it being nicked the bit I don't get is the fire bit because I don't see it bursting into flames while I'm riding it tbh.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 27 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

true....

they may as well call it tpet, (third party earthquake and theft)
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