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Cog Head
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 04 Nov 2005    Post subject: Slow & Smokey Reply with quote

i am confused to wether this is supposed to happen....

iv just put a liter of 2 stroke gearbox oil in me gearbox (obviously), but when i rode it, i looked in my mirror and there was a huge smoke screen behind me, i also noticed that when i went on the duel carriageway my bike wouldnt exceed 45Mph down the little hill, but before i could get something like 60-65Mph down that same little hill.

what the dam hell is going on ?

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PostPosted: 00:38 - 05 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you drain the old oil or just randomly poured a lilter in there?
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 05 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

what exactly did it say on the oil bottle , I.E. brand ,type etc.
it sounds to me like you may have put 2 stroke oil (meant for your 2 stroke oil tank) into your engine/gearbox filler instead of proper engine oil
as far as i am aware you don't get specific 2 stroke gearbox oil it should just be your normal 10w40 going in there.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 05 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get bike gearbox oil, I assume some clever oil company has branded it as 2 stroke gearbox oil to get the kids to buy it. No need for anything other than normal 10W40 in a small road 2 stroke.

If you overfilled it you may have blown a crank seal, which would explain lots of oil burning and no power. A litre sounds like a fair amount too, depending on bike. I think my old NS125R had a gearbox oil capacity of about 700cc.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 05 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get 2 stroke gearbox oil.

What bike is it, I believe the RS250 took a liter or so, so would expect a bike with a top speed of 65 may well be a bit less.

As above, did you drain the old oil, did you check to see if it was the right level?
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 05 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like its over filled Confused should have a dipstick to check it
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 06 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the replys guys.

its a Rieju RS2 MATRIX Race Replica
the gearbox capacity is 820cc (i didn't know this till i looked online on the specification)

i used motoil or how ever you spell it Confused

i didn't drain it before but i knew that it had hardly any in there, as the gear changes there a bit clunky and it sometimes didn't want to change at all and needed a good stamp on the gear leaver.

i have since completely drained my gearbox, and re measured it in a jug, and it seems like i went and put 300cc too much in there, which was why it was spilling out onto my exhaust, rear tyre and rear break, do i now need new break pads in it ?
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 06 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cog Head wrote:
cheers for the replys guys.

its a Rieju RS2 MATRIX Race Replica
the gearbox capacity is 820cc (i didn't know this till i looked online on the specification)

i used motoil or how ever you spell it Confused

i didn't drain it before but i knew that it had hardly any in there, as the gear changes there a bit clunky and it sometimes didn't want to change at all and needed a good stamp on the gear leaver.

i have since completely drained my gearbox, and re measured it in a jug, and it seems like i went and put 300cc too much in there, which was why it was spilling out onto my exhaust, rear tyre and rear break, do i now need new break pads in it ?


This is a prime example as why it's best to find the info out before you do anyhing to your bike Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 06 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my brake pads got soaked in oil I'd be replacing them. Degrease the whole area too.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 06 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

if your lucky it was the oil spilling onto the exhaust that caused the smoke, if your unlucky the crank seals have blown which requires the bottom end being striped down to get the crank out so the seals can be replaced.


if its still smoking really badly and your losing gearbox oil the seals have denfanly gone.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 06 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

rite cheers guys ill give it a running later today if it drys up a little to see if it smokes still

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PostPosted: 22:45 - 06 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep its all sorted now cheers for the help, theres no more smoke and i can get my proformance like i did beffore
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 07 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Joe"]
Cog Head wrote:

i didn't drain it before but i knew that it had hardly any in there, as the gear changes there a bit clunky and it sometimes didn't want to change at all and needed a good stamp on the gear leaver.


F**king hell mate! Sorry to be rude but thats not right you couldn't have been sure the oil was low from those symptoms. It could be a dragging clutch or something wrong with the gear selection mechanism. If you are unsure of a job take advice from here before starting. It could save you a fortune.
Hope you get away with it this time
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 07 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

To sort the brake pads n any affected areas use Muck off or Gunk whatever its called the degreaser stuff it comes in a metal orange tin n costs about £3 in wilkinsons, i would advise changing your brake pads altho if your strapped for cash you can degrease them but EXTREMELY cautios for around 50 miles or so..

dont forget to wipe the disc with degreaser too after every trip if you go with the cheaper yet more time consuming option Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 07 Nov 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

ye cheers when i get some money ill be replacing the front and rear pads in one go as they all look pretty low to me

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