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davidkent89
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: A303 on a 50 Reply with quote

Hello.
Got a derestricted Piaggio NRG MC3.
Does over 50 mph on the flat, and was just wandering, am i allowed on the A303.
I knowits a dual carraigeway, and a fast road, but its the easiest way to go to my uncles, with an excuse to fly down the nice steep windy hill just this side of mere.

Surely its the same rules as a standard A Road?
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

you should be allowed on A roads i think. Just not motorways Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Type_Mo wrote:
you should be allowed on A roads i think. Just not motorways Very Happy


Seconded. If you can see a hard shoulder, get to an SOS phone box and ring for an escort lol

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PostPosted: 20:55 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

just unsure as i have been told by some people i'm not allowed, and others i am, and i have never seen a 50 on there.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to learn the Highway code. The only roads you aren't allowed on as a learner which you aren't as a learner are motorways.

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227: Prohibited vehicles. Motorways MUST NOT be used by pedestrians, holders of provisional car or motorcycle driving licences unless exempt, riders of motorcycles under 50cc, cyclists and horse riders. Certain slow-moving vehicles and those carrying oversized loads (except by special permission), agricultural vehicles and most invalid carriages are also prohibited.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Type_Mo wrote:
you should be allowed on A roads i think. Just not motorways


Seconded. If you can see a hard shoulder, get to an SOS phone box and ring for an escort lol

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
You need to learn the Highway code. The only roads you aren't allowed on as a learner which you aren't as a learner are motorways.

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227: Prohibited vehicles. Motorways MUST NOT be used by pedestrians, holders of provisional car or motorcycle driving licences unless exempt, riders of motorcycles under 50cc, cyclists and horse riders. Certain slow-moving vehicles and those carrying oversized loads (except by special permission), agricultural vehicles and most invalid carriages are also prohibited.
Laws HA 1980 sects 16, 17 & sch 4, MT(E&W)R reg 4, MT(E&W)(A)R, R(S)A sects 7 ,8 & sch 3 & MT(S)R reg 10


Yes, but as i said, i have been told different things, even by my CBT instructor.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peds are alowed on the A303, ive overtaken many lol.

Watch out on the A303 though mate. There is sooooo much roadkill on that road of death. There are some surface problems too, especially near StoneHenge, where they have resurfaced parts leaving ridges.

Ive seen more than 5 accidents on that road involving motorbikes this year, and alot of drivers stop paying attention to the road as they drive by the henge.

And as i originally said, roadkill is all over the place so keep your eyes peeled!

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PostPosted: 21:04 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaben wrote:
Peds are alowed on the A303, ive overtaken many lol.

Watch out on the A303 though mate. There is sooooo much roadkill on that road of death. There are some surface problems too, especially near StoneHenge, where they have resurfaced parts leaving ridges.

Ive seen more than 5 accidents on that road involving motorbikes this year, and alot of drivers stop paying attention to the road as they drive by the henge.

And as i originally said, roadkill is all over the place so keep your eyes peeled!

Kaben


Thats the answer i was looking for mate.
I know its a fast road, but it wouldn't be used very often, and where it would be used, would be one straight road with no main attractions and rarely would i be in the outside lane.
Basically its just easier in the dark then going through bruton with useless headlights on my ped.
Thanks
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is not a motorway (which it isn't) then you could go down it on a pedal bike if you were so inclined - unless signs specifically state otherwise.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

impaler wrote:
If it is not a motorway (which it isn't) then you could go down it on a pedal bike if you were so inclined - unless signs specifically state otherwise.


Pedal bikes can't use dual carriage ways, and it frustrates me so much when i come across one, i feel the need to point out what a stupid idea it is. Especially as there is usually a cycle path alongside.

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PostPosted: 21:41 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
Pedal bikes can't use dual carriage ways, and it frustrates me so much when i come across one, i feel the need to point out what a stupid idea it is. Especially as there is usually a cycle path alongside.

I agree that it is a bit crazy (especially if there is a perfectly good cycle path available) but there's no legal reason I'm aware of that stops cyclists using dual carriageways. Cycle clubs often run time trials down a length of dualled trunk road.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, as far as i know, theres no law, though to be fair, i wouldn't go down a dual carriage way on my push bike, and i wouldn't personally recommend that anyone does.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 29 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

impaler wrote:
Jack_Cheese wrote:
Pedal bikes can't use dual carriage ways, and it frustrates me so much when i come across one, i feel the need to point out what a stupid idea it is. Especially as there is usually a cycle path alongside.

I agree that it is a bit crazy (especially if there is a perfectly good cycle path available) but there's no legal reason I'm aware of that stops cyclists using dual carriageways. Cycle clubs often run time trials down a length of dualled trunk road.


A commonwealth cycling team practicing on a dual carriageway in manchester at the time of the games were redirected by a policeman, leading me to believe it was illegal.

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PostPosted: 01:03 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
Type_Mo wrote:
you should be allowed on A roads i think. Just not motorways Very Happy


Seconded. If you can see a hard shoulder, get to an SOS phone box and ring for an escort lol

Jack


Nah...sod that...i got caught on one as i was boxed in my a lorry and a car, so had no choice, i ended up on the M24 stretch between masham and tamworth.i stopped on the shoulder and tryed to call for help but had no credit...then noticed that there was hardly any traffic on the road, so thought....Lets avit... Mr. Green ... lmao i was racing all the lorries...was scary but fun at the same time...
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt even consider taking a 50 on the motorway, you're dicing with death Shocked Thumbs Down

The 125 I would consider (if I had my full licence), but I'd still be worried about it breaking down on me...

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PostPosted: 01:20 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

you cant take a 50cc on a motorway legally, however you can a 125 (with a full licence)
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you 16 with L plates?

If so, could also be asking for trouble from a police that knows what's going on - one because you're endangering yourself, but further because you're 'ped is doing more than the legal limit of 30mph for a 16 year old.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
you cant take a 50cc on a motorway legally, however you can a 125 (with a full licence)


That's incorrect. You must have a vehicle of 50cc or over on a full licence to use a motorway. Shocking, but true.

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PostPosted: 10:41 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you will find that its a motorcycle over 50cc, so a moped is not allowed. You could take a honda cub on there though.

EDIT - or thinking about it, mopeds may have to be below 50cc to meet class requirements, so either way, no mopeds on motorways.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

natv4 wrote:
I think you will find that its a motorcycle over 50cc, so a moped is not allowed. You could take a honda cub on there though.

EDIT - or thinking about it, mopeds may have to be below 50cc to meet class requirements, so either way, no mopeds on motorways.


though i reckon you could get away with it if it had a big bore kit or had been rebored - obviously and declared so that you could prove it.
wouldn't that make it 50cc and above, rather than 49cc?
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 30 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

davidkent89 wrote:
natv4 wrote:
I think you will find that its a motorcycle over 50cc, so a moped is not allowed. You could take a honda cub on there though.

EDIT - or thinking about it, mopeds may have to be below 50cc to meet class requirements, so either way, no mopeds on motorways.


though i reckon you could get away with it if it had a big bore kit or had been rebored - obviously and declared so that you could prove it.
wouldn't that make it 50cc and above, rather than 49cc?
David
Then it would no longer fit into the moped catagory (which is less than 50cc). Yes, scooters are allowed on motorways.
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 31 Dec 2005    Post subject: Re: A303 on a 50 Reply with quote

davidkent89 wrote:
Hello.
Got a derestricted Piaggio NRG MC3.
Does over 50 mph on the flat, and was just wandering, am i allowed on the A303.
I knowits a dual carraigeway, and a fast road, but its the easiest way to go to my uncles, with an excuse to fly down the nice steep windy hill just this side of mere.

Surely its the same rules as a standard A Road?
David


Going back up would be bloody horrid on it. My 291cc MZ had fun getting up there, let alone a 50.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 31 Dec 2005    Post subject: Re: A303 on a 50 Reply with quote

bish777 wrote:
davidkent89 wrote:
Hello.
Got a derestricted Piaggio NRG MC3.
Does over 50 mph on the flat, and was just wandering, am i allowed on the A303.
I knowits a dual carraigeway, and a fast road, but its the easiest way to go to my uncles, with an excuse to fly down the nice steep windy hill just this side of mere.

Surely its the same rules as a standard A Road?
David


Going back up would be bloody horrid on it. My 291cc MZ had fun getting up there, let alone a 50.


A 291cc MZ probably hase the same ammount of power as an nrg lol

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PostPosted: 16:44 - 31 Dec 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Perfectly legal to take a moped on a dual carraigeway. Given summer traffic jams on there, at times you might be the fastest vehicle around.

However might be more enjoyable to use the smaller surrounding roads.

All the best

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