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Marcg868
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Why is it? Reply with quote

Rather silly question this i know.

But mate got pulled today for having a rather loud can on his Gixxer 600. And told to take it off etc blah blah you know the score.

But why is it, you see these spotty little wankers in Nova's Punto's Saxo etc, with even louder exhuasts yet there allowed? Is it another one rule for the cage driving arseholse and another for us
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another good point! but Harleys sound loud in a good way.

Thing with Punto's wi stupid bodged exhausts that are stupidly loud. You turn round expecting see a nice Evo 6/7 etc and you see some baggy 1.2 litre punto doing 30 mph.
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yokogeri wrote:
Why is it harleys get away with it? I've heard a few harleys that are unbelievably loud yet are allowed to get away with it?


I ran my VT with no muffler on yesterday. Bugger me, V-twins are loud with no cans on! Shocked I was still raising my voice to hear myself a minute after turning it off. Neutral

I'd suggest that most Harleys with straight through pipes are only ever really used for trundling to bike meets, not razzing about at full chat through the countryside. They're just not seen as as antisocial I guess. The copper could give them a ticket for loud pipes, but is unlikely to find anything else wrong.
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt the copper have to measure the amount of db's or somthing to ensure its 'too loud'?

Less it had "not for road use" stamped on it Twisted Evil Wink
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groovearmada wrote:
Wouldnt the copper have to measure the amount of db's or somthing to ensure its 'too loud'?

Less it had "not for road use" stamped on it Twisted Evil Wink


There's no practical way of accurately measuring that on the roadside; even in a workshop it isn't very good, so MOT testers can't really test it properly. Normally it is down to the testers or police officer's discretion, unless it has 'Not for road use', 'Track use only' or similar on it.

As an offence in itself, it is only punishable by a £30 fine; normally they just give out a rectification notice at the same time as the producer, so you have to rectify the problem and show them that you have. If they decided to do you for a breach of the peace, battery (of hearing I suppose) or something like that, it could be much worse than £30. Those though are criminal rather than traffic law violations AFAIK, so I doubt anybody ever would be done like that. Smile

If nothing else, a loud can gives a police officer an excuse to stop you and inspect the machine. Minature number plates et al only make the situation worse and will probably make them doing you for the speeding rather than giving you a lecture more likely.
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe because most bikes rev ~three times higher than cars do? Karma
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends how loud is loud-a track legal race can isnt terribly loud, but straight throughs can be deafening, even on a little 125.

My XBR500 had a straight through reverse mega that was deafening when i bought it. Quick bodgery with a universal baffle prevented the coppers looking but it was still pretty loud.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: Why is it? Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:
But why is it, you see these spotty little wankers in Nova's Punto's Saxo etc, with even louder exhuasts yet there allowed


They are not allowed, and ask the spotty little oiks in their Novas and they will probably be complaining about being pulled up for noisy exhausts while the bikes get away with it.

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PostPosted: 11:57 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stupid uk law. a bike needs to be loud so people hear it
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most kiddy Nova cars are NOT louder than bikes. Maybe one or two Subarus i have heard are, as has been correctly pointed out, most bikes rev at least to 10k. I don't know about you, but I was standing next to a Firestorm the other day with 'road legal' cans on it and I was deaf afterwards, and that was just pulling away. Even my 125 4t at full chat is louder than kiddy boy round the corner with his make believe rs turbo.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got away with a race can twice. I have only ever heard a louder bike than the art can on my zx6r and that was a zx10r with a yoshi.

My dads bike also is stupidly loud. On idle it sounds like its being revved then when you rev it is even more unbelieveable.

Loud car exhausts are stupid unless the car is pretty rapid then i'll let it off.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
Loud car exhausts are stupid unless the car is pretty rapid then i'll let it off.


Why the double standards?

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PostPosted: 15:12 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Loud car exhausts are stupid unless the car is pretty rapid then i'll let it off


Even though a car may be shifting (in the Buick's case) up to 7 times the exhaust gas volume?
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got the opposite problem, my bike is so unbeliveably quiet Sad
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it has "not for road use" on it then you can expect some hassle if stopped. Even non-traffic officers know to atleast check for that. Reading some of the posts on here, some of you really do seem to run in to some really strict officers. Most I know wouldn't pull a loud bike over unless it was REALLY bad (or being ridden stupidly). Lots of officers own bikes and park them in the station yard. We know bikes are loud, even road legal ones. Part of the appeal!
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never got pulled over, was followed a few times though Shifty

My bike was louder than a ZX6R with non road legal Art race can on it Wink
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
markcatate wrote:
Loud car exhausts are stupid unless the car is pretty rapid then i'll let it off.


Why the double standards?

All the best

Keith


I quite like loud vehicles just that when you hear a loud car and just see it drive past accelerating as hard as it can getting no where then it looks silly.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Can see the point, just seems a bit strange that you object to the noise only when it comes from something that needs every bit of help dragging its sorry wheels down the road at an acceptable pace.

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PostPosted: 19:30 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean cars like the japanese drifting cars or things like M5' ferraris with sport exhausts. It just adds to the coolness. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can fully understand the clamp down on loud exhausts, the A316 near a few years back when korn and andrew were riding the firestorms, I could tell exactly when they both were riding up/down there when testing their bikes after working on them and I live 2 nearly 2 miles away from the A316. they also both had standard cans on. imagine if they had proper cans on and if the police didnt clamp down then loads of people would do it and then dont think I'd ever get any sleep.

what I do object too though about boyracers is when they park up and play their music at full volume with a 30,000 KW system of the like. I hope the police do clamp down on that if not they should becuase that is really antisociable.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
markcatate wrote:
Loud car exhausts are stupid unless the car is pretty rapid then i'll let it off.


Why the double standards?

All the best

Keith


Its not genuine performance exhausts that are the problem on cars & bikes, most performance cars sound good and sound better with a quality 'race' exhaust system....much like a decent bike.

The problem is that a 1.2 Nova engine with a K&N doesn't really sound very good to start with and just sounds rubbish but more loudly so, with a 4" flexi ducting exhaust.... in much the same way as an Aprilia RS 50 with a race can on it sounds like a pissed off wasp with a megaphone Sad !
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never known a boy racer get pulled for his exhaust and i know rather alot of them.
The only time i've ever been pulled for having a round exhaust was decelerating past a police car after a 120mph run. when i can past the police car i was doing about 70 with my exaust popping and burbling so much it sounded like someone sooting a growling bear with a shotgun Laughing

I'd say both are just as loud around town, but the way bikes rev so high and the fact we are far more likely to attract attention to ourselves for other things is what gets us pulled Karma
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mongrel wrote:
Its not genuine performance exhausts that are the problem on cars & bikes, most performance cars sound good and sound better with a quality 'race' exhaust system....much like a decent bike.


But in either case the power gains are pretty pathetic for how much it annoys some people.

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PostPosted: 23:51 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that for many, maybe most people, exhaust noise is just noise, no matter how good other people might think it sounds. A 916 with Termignonis going past at full chat might make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, but it'll get hackles up up on most.

Tyre noise is still worse in my opinion. You can't hear much else from most vehicles other than bikes.
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