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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: KLE500 tuning to GPZ500 specifications Reply with quote

Right. There are at least ten equines lurking somewhere inside my KLE engine. The bore, stroke, compression ratio and valve diameter are the same as the GPZ. The KLE has 50 ponies, the GPZ has 60 ponies as standard. This leaves only a few places for them to hide.

I have a spare GPZ engine, it would be rude not to try Mr. Green

I know the carbs are different, got a pair of GPZ ones.

I reckon the cam profile is different (if only by the differing power delivery between the two engines). I checked the manual and have a procedure for changing out the cams without removing the head and camchain.

This leaves what?

Exhaust? Got that covered, there are nae baffles in the one I have.
Filter? Both have a foam element filter.
Airbox? The KLE one is massive.

Ignition timing? Thinking Not so sure about the ignition timing/mapping. The IC Igniter has the same number of wires but in different colours/orders. I can make a 'crossover' block to make them land up in the same place without butchering the loom. I wonder if this is all or if the ignition is mechanically advanced on the GPZ too?

Any thoughts? Anything I missed?

(This will be by way of a 'do it sometime when it is lighter and I am bored' type project.)
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the GPZ has more power per stroke then it stands to reason that the counter balance required would also be more so make sure they are the same to.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Would not surprise me if the ignition timing is different. Use shorter HT leads so the sparks do not have to travel as far, to advance the timing Laughing Wink .

Wonder if you could rig up a video camera and a timing light to check what the timing is doing as you rev the engine.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:21 - 10 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: KLE500 tuning to GPZ500 specifications Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The KLE has 50 ponies, the GPZ has 60 ponies as standard.


Thats being a little optimistic official figure is more like 46PS / 44BHP for the KLE, I have read that some of the european models were restricted on the intake.

I've also read about a chap that got 55 horses with just a filter, zorst and a stage 3 dynojet but then you read allsorts on t'internet Wink

Out of interest what does your top out at ?

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PostPosted: 12:06 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: KLE500 tuning to GPZ500 specifications Reply with quote

MikeH wrote:

Out of interest what does your top out at ?

Mike


Not really sure with the new gearing, I don't have a speedo. I would guess 115/120.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
If the GPZ has more power per stroke then it stands to reason that the counter balance required would also be more so make sure they are the same to.


Why?

The counter balance only cancels the effect of 2 pistons moving.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: KLE500 tuning to GPZ500 specifications Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
...ten equines lurking somewhere inside my KLE engine...Anything I missed?...

Make sure it's painted red Very Happy
Absolute law of physics that anything red must be travelling faster Wink

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PostPosted: 12:48 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell that to my CG please.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: KLE500 tuning to GPZ500 specifications Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
MikeH wrote:

Out of interest what does your top out at ?

Mike


Not really sure with the new gearing, I don't have a speedo. I would guess 115/120.


OK mine sees about 110 but then I've only tested it briefly hopefully after next week I'll be able to go out and test it officially Wink
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
extreme3d wrote:
If the GPZ has more power per stroke then it stands to reason that the counter balance required would also be more so make sure they are the same to.


Why?

The counter balance only cancels the effect of 2 pistons moving.


Every force in one direction has an equal force in the opposite direction. So surely the counter balance is not just to cancel the effect of the pistons moving? Granted it's primarily there to help mask the 'rocking couple' effect along the crankshaft, but a lot of thought must have gone into the size of that weight to take into account an engines performance, optimum rpm related to the gearing etc...

Which brings me onto another thought... is the gearing (the actual gearbox) on the KLE the same as the GPZ?
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
but a lot of thought must have gone into the size of that weight to take into account an engines performance, optimum rpm related to the gearing etc...


Irrespective of other factors in the design, the amount of power / torque depends on how far open the throttle is, and the balance weights do not change in mass as you open and close the throttle.

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PostPosted: 16:17 - 11 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
sickpup wrote:
the counter balance only cancels the effect of 2 pistons moving.

Every force in one direction has an equal force in the opposite direction. So surely the counter balance is not just to cancel the effect of the pistons moving?


the counterbalance it there to counter the effects of the mass moving. it doesn't matter how much force was applied to the mass, it's still the same amount of mass, and the counterbalance will be moved with the same increased force (transmitted via the con-rod).

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