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RS125_Tecky
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Valve Clearance Costs. Reply with quote

following on from my previous thread...

Someone said at 24,000 miles they are due a major service.

The bike is on 20,000 miles and he doesn't have proof that the valve clerance was checked at 16,000 miles although he assures me it was done.

So basically I'm thinking of getting it to a dealer ASAP for a valve clearance service.

How much would this cost for;

a) they sure measure it but all is ok?
b) they measure it and need to adjust?

Help appreciated, cheers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had quotes for my GPZ adjustment of valves ranging from £360 to £70

I took up the £70 one as I know the mechanic is very good,

he even collected my bike for free too!

If you're local to midlands, pm me ill pass on his details

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PostPosted: 21:16 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike do you have?
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Very much depends on the bike. Shimmed valves can be a pig to adjust (on many bikes the cams need to come out) but rarely need touching. You measure the clearance, take the existing shim out, calculate the size of the shim you need, buy it and replace it (probably about £3~£5 per shim, although some places will part ex them).

Other bikes have screw and locknut type adjustment (such as Simples GPZ500). These are far quicker to adjust but need doing far more often.

Given that the interval is 16k~24k this suggests that they are shimmed valves. Expect a bill of a good few hundred pounds.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:47 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

R reg GPZ500s, which is shimmed not lock nut kickstart, according to my haynes anyway, Varadero125 is the screw and lock nut, I could do that my self , but didnt fancy moving shims around.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Didn't know they changed that. The older GPZ500s are screw and locknut and were up to 1996 at least).

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:51 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not aware they did change? mine is deffo Shims, I beleieve the older GPZ500 engines are the same ad the newer facelift ones?

a quick look on google suggest they are both the same

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PostPosted: 21:56 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would expect an independant bike shop to charge in the region of £80 to check the clearances and replace any shims that are necessary.
You could always check them yourself, just for peace of mind? Costs - nothing, perhaps just buy a set of feeler gauges and a haynes manual.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Checked on the Kawasaki US web site and that has the parts diagrams for the GPZ500 (Ninja 500 they call it or Ninja 500R) and up to the latest model shown there they are screw and locknut.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:02 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

how odd :S

perhaps I own the only shimmed GPZ500s in the country...

gotta be worth more come time to sell it then Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the replies

The bike is a 01 zx6r.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm going to view the bike tomorrow, is there any way I can check whilst im there?
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS125_Tecky wrote:
i'm going to view the bike tomorrow, is there any way I can check whilst im there?

If the valve clearences were 6000 miles overdue you'd hear it..

be a rattle..like tapping a spoon on a railing.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple wrote:
RS125_Tecky wrote:
i'm going to view the bike tomorrow, is there any way I can check whilst im there?

If the valve clearences were 6000 miles overdue you'd hear it..

be a rattle..like tapping a spoon on a railing.


Cheers for that mate, very helpful, will listen out for that when he starts it.

Anyone else know of any sounds I should listen out for as a sign the engine aint right?

Im going to view it early tomorrow so prompt replies would be great Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple wrote:
If the valve clearences were 6000 miles overdue you'd hear it..
be a rattle..like tapping a spoon on a railing.


Not that likely. With shimmed valves the clearances tend to tighten up which if anything results in them getting quieter. Also although they may be 6k beyond the service interval shims often do not need adjusting.

Easiest way to get some idea of the state of the clearances is to do a compression check. Hardly something the seller would expect you to do.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:58 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Simple wrote:
If the valve clearences were 6000 miles overdue you'd hear it..
be a rattle..like tapping a spoon on a railing.


Not that likely. With shimmed valves the clearances tend to tighten up which if anything results in them getting quieter. Also although they may be 6k beyond the service interval shims often do not need adjusting.

Easiest way to get some idea of the state of the clearances is to do a compression check. Hardly something the seller would expect you to do.

All the best

Keith


How do I do a compression check and what tools do I need and what should it roughly be?
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 10 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just paid £480



But that did include genuine honda chain + sprockets, cush drive rubbers, full service, braided hoses and a new clutch Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart how do you know about the valves on your gpz? where are you getting that they aren't shimmed from? my haynes say its shimmed, ive jsut paid to have it re shimmed and every link on google says shimmed....


my valves were out, and it deffinelty increased the rattling.
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS125_Tecky wrote:
How do I do a compression check and what tools do I need and what should it roughly be?


Not really realistic to do there. You will need a compression gauge with the right fittings for the ZX6Rs spark plugs. Then you will need to get the bike far enough apart (so probably at least fuel tank and airbox off.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:16 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple wrote:
Kickstart how do you know about the valves on your gpz? where are you getting that they aren't shimmed from? my haynes say its shimmed, ive jsut paid to have it re shimmed and every link on google says shimmed....


Kawasaki parts list, Kawasaki workshop manual, 2 GPZ500 we have owned and Craigs GPZ500 which I have adjusted the valves on. All were screw and lock nut.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:18 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:38 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Simple wrote:
If the valve clearences were 6000 miles overdue you'd hear it..
be a rattle..like tapping a spoon on a railing.


Not that likely. With shimmed valves the clearances tend to tighten up which if anything results in them getting quieter. Also although they may be 6k beyond the service interval shims often do not need adjusting.

Easiest way to get some idea of the state of the clearances is to do a compression check. Hardly something the seller would expect you to do.

All the best

Keith


Got to second that, my Thundercats done 65K miles and the shims have not been changed since new, they were checked about 1,000 miles ago and all were well within tolerance. I would think it most unlikely that a ZX6R with 20k miles will need re shiming, but it's always worth checking.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone else add any more useful info on what to listen out for engine wise?
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, a bit of rattle from the top end may not be too much to worry about, as long as it isn't excessive, but if you hear a regular deep knocking, walk away. Pull the clutch in and see if you get a change in the noise, if you do it's mechanical noise from the clutch / transmission, if not it's likely from the engine. Make sure there's no white smoke from the exhaust when you blip the throttle.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimbo wrote:
Basically, a bit of rattle from the top end may not be too much to worry about, as long as it isn't excessive, but if you hear a regular deep knocking, walk away. Pull the clutch in and see if you get a change in the noise, if you do it's mechanical noise from the clutch / transmission, if not it's likely from the engine. Make sure there's no white smoke from the exhaust when you blip the throttle.


Cheers will listen and watch out for those.

Hopefully there wont be though as it's 3 1/2 hours drive away and thats just there Sick
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