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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone on here knows where I can get a sack of dried maize from?

My Kung Fu instructor has said that for conditioning and power, I should fill my punchbag/wall bag with Maize and then punch this to develop power and hand positioning.

This is all well and good, but where the heck do I get a sack of raw cereal produce??

Crazy question I know, but thats why I'm asking you people! Smile

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Skunkcap Freddie · Brolly Dolly Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Karma :

try a pet shop dude

WR450_geezer · Nobody likes me Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Karma :

Yeah pet shop, used to buy big bulks from pet shops for carp fishing. Cheap as chips.

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craigie b · Citizen Smith Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Karma :

I suppose dry maize would move in a less predictable manner than sand meaning different hand muscles gets used depending on exactly how you strike the bag.

TBH good technique and the ability to actually hit a target when the time counts, in my eyes, is more important than developing obscure muscles utilizing bizarre techniques. I doubt a good boxer would concern himself with the filling of his heavy bag....he'd be more concerned with just thumping it Wink

killa · Won't Shut Up Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Karma :

Pack it full of polystyrene and you won’t hurt your hands. Wink

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dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

Hard men use cement grasshopper.

MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

craigie b · Citizen Smith Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Karma :

MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

you are of course entitled to your opinion,

However Wing Chun only really makes sense when you have studied it for a while. The majority of its usefulness comes from subtleties which you can't see just by watching people train, or even spar.

Also, you make it sound like we don't spar. We do. We spar full contact (with head and body protection) plus we do loads of chi sau (sticking hands) which develops sensitivity, reactions and focus.

You can argue that boxing is a more useful art, but boxers know how to punch but not how to strike. They have a definite range and cannot use the dexterity of their hands, nor their legs against the opponent.

I am not built like a boxer, and I never will be built like a boxer, and as such I need all of the advantage I can get in a fight. Wing Chun is a relatively complete art which focuses on extremely close range fighting (as happens in pubs and clubs) and its only downside is that it doesn't include a lot of grappling.

If you put a Boxer and a Wing Chun person in a Phone box and told them to fight, I'd place my bet on the Wing Chun man every time.

And ultimately, a fighting system is a fighting system. You can argue that there are better or worse ones until you are blue in the face, Wing Chun is what I'm studying, I think it is useful to me and I enjoy it. I really don't think I'd enjoy boxing...

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craigie b · Citizen Smith Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Karma :

I do Jeet Kune Do which is originates in WC and I've dabbled in WC for a wee while too. JKD utilises the first form and borrows heavily from center line theory, structure and interception.

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craigie b · Citizen Smith Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Karma :

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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Jeet Kune Do is supposed to be formless. And it doesn't originate in Wing Chun, Bruce lee invented it from scratch.

The fact that he had studied Wing Chun for quite a number of years may have influenced it... Wink

Anyway. You are still making it sound like I'm not working on my footwork, or my accuracy or my timing or my focus or my body positioning or my distance or any of those other things.

I am.

What I meant with regard to boxers is, they know how to punch with bound hands and gloves, whereas I can punch but I can also Fook sau or palm strike, or back fist or elbow. Boxers don't tend to do this (cos boxing has rules...).

So I'd like to condition my hands as an extra. I have a heavy bag full of wadding, but it isn't realistic to hit. It moves out of the way and gives when I strike it. People don't do this. People are more like bags of Maize.

My Sifu said that I should fill a wall bag with Maize, and use that. I'm not going to question twenty five years of wing chun experience. If he says punching a soft bag is bad, then I'm not going to argue (especially as I have felt how hard he can hit...).

I'm kinda glad of the debate as I am bored, but I did only ask where I could get a bag of maize from! Wink

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dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

I've got to say I agree with Craig. Sometimes these classes really have no structure to their lessons, where a teacher isn't necessarily talented enough to get away with ad libbing. It can be an easy way for the teacher to get away with teaching less technique. Not that I'm saying this is the case here as it would be silly of me to jump to conclusions, merely stating my own experiences. It's difficult to find someone good and indeed an art to which you are suited. I started learning the short form of Tai Chi, which I really liked and seemed to have found a good informal teacher. Unfortunately the class became so popular through the academy pushing for more and more students in the class that progression became almost impossible. It really was a breath of fresh air moving on from a Thai Boxing/Karate experience to the "gentler form" with no Hard teachers and stupid Bruce Lee Wanabes.

Craig - How long have you being learning Jeet Kune Do? It's something I fancied trying since being a childhood Brucie fan. As it's now more popular over here there's a sort of nearish school I could be persuaded to look at.

Marjay - I thought Jeet Kune Do was a collection of fighting techniques and philosophies that Bruce Lee had combined into the form?

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dibbster · Nearly there... Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Karma :

One sack of maize

Ebay has the answer! Laughing

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Tarmacsurfer · World Chat Champion Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Karma :

Huge difference (to me) between punching and striking, one implies a forceful blow delivered to a body area with a closed fist the other a targeted impact delivered with precision. Both have their place.

In terms of conditioning, good call. As I believe I pointed out in another thread recently the term "boxers fracture" was coined for a reason, conditioning to avoid a metacarpal break is a good idea as far as I'm concerned.

As an aside, regardless of fighting in gloves or not, don't underestimate boxers. They can soak a huge amount of damage without showing any significant slowdown and similarly to any rigorously trained set of movements a good boxer will have an immensely fast set of combinations and footwork. Everyone has a different body type and mindset, some styles work and gel for one person and may not be at all suitable for another.
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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

I'm not sure that I can to be honest.

He said that if you have accuracy developed from training with a real person ( application) trained reflex action (drills) and conditioning, you don't need to hit focus mits to help you to punch.

He was explaining this in conjunction with the third part of the first form (where you drop your left hand and then your right hand by your sides) as 'six inch energy'.

He said that we needed to develop this to punch through the target when six inches away. This distance will reduce as we get better, and eventually our one inch punch will be all that is needed.

Steve uses focus mits a lot, so I doubt I'll stop using them, (especially as I have my own pair) and as far as I can tell they don't make me pull my punches. I hit them straight with the bottom three knuckles, and hit hard.

He also said that with focus mits you can glance off, or scrape your knuckles down them (and skin your knuckles) whereas the maize will teach you to punch straight and align your fist correctly.

Next time I see him, I'll try to get him to explain in some more detail if I can...
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craigie b · Citizen Smith Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Karma :

Cool, that'll be interesting! Thumbs Up

[quote]He also said that with focus mits you can glance off, or scrape your knuckles down them (and skin your knuckles) whereas the maize will teach you to punch straight and align your fist correctly. [/quotes]

Thats 100% true as I have had the bloody knuckles to show for it. lol, all that means is your technique is wrong, not the training apparatus. I've used a wall bag before and basically if you drag you punches at all then the skin comes of your knuckles, so you get a very easy guage of whether your doing it right or not!

The thing with focus mitts though is variety....if your using them then there a great tool for actively developing combinations of punches. Have a partner mix up the positions of the pads so you don;t know what target is coming next and you very quickly get a good guage for figuring out how good you are at creating combinations on the fly.