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PostPosted: 21:49 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Overclocking Tools Reply with quote

I want to overclock my AMD Sempron 3000+ in my laptop as it is quite frankly, shit. What tools can assist me to safely overclock my CPU?
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky buy an intel. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't help the processor I got in this laptop it was a gift. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What make is the laptop?, and a 3000+ should be ok how much memory does it have?
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acer Aspire 3000 with 512MB RAM
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit that was a quick reply. Very Happy

To be honest mate Acer arent the best. 512Mb should be ok, in what way is it shit?
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno just general installing applications etc etc, i'm probably expecting a bit too much cause it seems I compare it with my P4, 1GB RAM PC at home. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Unlucky buy an intel. Thumbs Up

So you dislike Kawasaki and also reckon Intel are the way to go. I'm starting to seriously wonder about your tastes, you know Confused Laughing

Jon, before you do anything else bung another 512 of ram in, that in itself will help everything substantially. What graphics system is it running? That tends to be one of the big limitations with laptop gaming. Also bear in mind that quite a few of the laptop graphics cards use the system memory.
The words safe and overclock aren't really ones that go together too well and any benefit gained from GUI based tools is minimal at best (in my experience at least) and prone to being a little unstable. Best bet is to go in at bios level and configure to suit, but it will take some time to research and learn. I've not OCd a laptop before, but I can't see how it would work too well, to OC to any useful degree requires additional (or more efficient) cooling, and I have no idea how you'd go about changing that in a laptop chasis.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

you will probably find the bottleneck in your system will be the hard drive. A lot of laptops use very slow 4200rpm drives, whilst your desktop probably has a 7200rpm drive. hence the slowness installing apps. a gig of ram will help as would either a 5400rpm high cache drive or a 7200rpm laptop drive. although a 7200 drive may cause the laptop to run a fair bit hotter (the main reason makers use 4200 drives).
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:
Unlucky buy an intel. Thumbs Up

So you dislike Kawasaki and also reckon Intel are the way to go. I'm starting to seriously wonder about your tastes, you know Confused Laughing


Thanks, I know what i like and i like what I know. Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

each to their own I guess, personally I am a fan of AMD, cost effective and good performance compared to massively overpriced Intel chips.

more bang per buck so to speak
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 22 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Just ran the Belarc Advisor for info on my machine and it catalogues the CPU as a "1.80 Ghz AMD Athlon 64". Does this mean I am running a 64bit PC?
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 22 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, but dont expect full 64bit support from acer just yet, makers use the 64 bit cpu only because AMD stopped making 32 bit versions.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 22 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, what are the expected advtantages of 64bit when it becomes fully functional in the future?
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 22 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO more publicity hype than real gain, real time tests have shown an average performance increase of less than 20%
the AMD 64 bit does however outperform the Intel equivalent in tests I have seen.


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https://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=295
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 22 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retro-Man wrote:
IMHO more publicity hype than real gain, real time tests have shown an average performance increase of less than 20%


To be fair, this is probably more due to the software limitations than any real problem with the hardware. It will take time for the coders to get the best from the 64 bit systems, so I wouldn't expect any real gains for a couple of years yet.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 23 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best thing about the AMD64 currently, in my opinion, is that is runs so cool compared to the older chips. Granted I'm running a water based cooling system, but it's a single loop with N-bridge, GPU (an X850 XL a friend gave me when I moved to a PCIE board) and the CPU on it, the CPU temp rarely goes over 38 degrees, even under heavy load. My old Barton XP3200+ heated the room, let alone a case Confused
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 23 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
Best thing about the AMD64 currently, in my opinion, is that is runs so cool compared to the older chips. Granted I'm running a water based cooling system, but it's a single loop with N-bridge, GPU (an X850 XL a friend gave me when I moved to a PCIE board) and the CPU on it, the CPU temp rarely goes over 38 degrees, even under heavy load. My old Barton XP3200+ heated the room, let alone a case Confused


My 3200+ Venice core never goes above 28c, and I've only got 2 80mm fans and an exhaust blower.

Still cant overclock the bastard though, I had it running at 2.4 but as soon as I reboot it locks, and I need to go into BIOS and reset the multiplier. I'm assuming my chip is one that just scraped through the testing as a 3200 so I cant really get a lot more out of it.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 23 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been very impressed at my dirt cheap Venice core AMD64 3000+, runs ~1.8 out of the box, currently stable (Pri95 tested) at 2.3. Had it up to 2.6 but it was getting decidedly flaky at that point, although I suspect if I'd spent time adjusting the ram setup I could have improved if not solved that (and believe me, I'm no overclocking guru). The sheer flexibility of these chips amazes me.
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