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PostPosted: 16:25 - 12 Mar 2006    Post subject: Switching to Telewest cable package Reply with quote

It's £30/month and includes 2mb broadband, basic TV and phone package...but I seem to be having issues trying to find out much about they internet kit.
The modem has USB and RJ45 connector so I should be fine to use my existing Linksys ADSL router simply as a router/switch though can I route all traffic and the internet IP through to my Linksys so I can use all my existing routing rules/NAT configuration?
I also can't find any mention of static IP or static IP options anywhere, but having not had cable before does a static IP come as default?
Also is the "modem" part of the TV box, or a separate bit of kit?

Any info or suggestions much appreciated!

Adam

ps...I'm switching as my parents want the extra TV channels and the price is fixed for a year, and includes free installation. Also PlusNet are giving me usage warnings...
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 12 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The modem is separate, and is usually a Motorola Surfboard. You will get a dynamic IP address, but as the connection is always on, this will hardly ever change unless you are disconnected for some reason. A static IP address is available at extra cost.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 14 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on NTL cable and I've had the same IP Address for a year now, and my connections hardly ever faulters.

Also Telewest are now part of NTL, so faster speeds will becoming quicker too.

Also when you do order Telewest specify you want a seperate modem, cos if there anything like NTL they will sell you a package using the Set Top Box as the modem, this is no majorly bad thing but limits you to certain speeds without an engineer visiting.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 14 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think you can get all the tv channels for the same price as just the budget ones for the first 3months.

so in those first 3 months it costs no more to have all the tv channels than it does to just have the basic ones. then b4 the 3 months is up you just switch to the basic package for tv
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 14 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Switching to Telewest cable package Reply with quote

Milo wrote:
I should be fine to use my existing Linksys ADSL router simply as a router/switch though

That's what I thought.

Your ADSL needs to have a RJ45 WAN socket for this to work, every single ADSL router I've seen doesn't, it only has a connection designed for a telephone line.

You can't plug the cable modem into the telephone WAN port on your ADSL router. Nor can you plug it into one of the ports on your switch, it won't magically share between all of the PC's also plugged into it.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Switching to Telewest cable package Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
You can't plug the cable modem into the telephone WAN port on your ADSL router. Nor can you plug it into one of the ports on your switch, it won't magically share between all of the PC's also plugged into it.


All results seem to suggest the cable "modem" has an ethernet port, so I'll just use a crossover cable to connect it to my switch/router as it doesn't have an uplink or WAN port.
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on blueyonder. The supplied motorolla cable modem is connected to my Linksys (non-adsl) router via a network cable, if that helps. The modem itself also has an (unused) usb port.
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Switching to Telewest cable package Reply with quote

Milo wrote:
All results seem to suggest the cable "modem" has an ethernet port, so I'll just use a crossover cable to connect it to my switch/router as it doesn't have an uplink or WAN port.

Yeah - it does.

However that won't work. Feel free to ignore me, but I have just moved from adsl to telewest and was thinking exactly the same as you.

You cannot plug the modem ethernet port into a standard switch, it has to be the WAN port on a non-ADSL router. I have a linksys one the same as maurice.

As I say you can ignore me, but you'll discover that I'm right. Smile

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Disregard cable modem documentation about being able to support multiple PCs via a hub: with most domestic broadband ISPs (including NTL, Blueyonder), you can have only one.

If you have more than one computer on a LAN at home, and you want to make the cable modem available to them all, you cannot just plug the cable modem into your LAN hub, because the cable modem will communicate with only one MAC address, and will issue only one IP address via DHCP.

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PostPosted: 09:02 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Switching to Telewest cable package Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
As I say you can ignore me, but you'll discover that I'm right. Smile


From the sounds of it I think you're probably right...but I'll give it a bloody good try anyway! Smile
In theory...the modem will assign an IP to my router, and that MAC will be registered on the modem. I'll then assign static IP's to my network so my router can NAT out everything.

I agree it wouldn't work plugged in to a normal hub or switch if it only supports one mac/IP as they're dumb devices which have no routing options.

Well it's being installed on Thursday...so we'll see what happens.
Wish me luck! Confused
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What port will you be plugging the modem into on the router?

A standard switch port?

Good luck!
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
A standard switch port?

Good luck!


On my router, yes.
I work in IT so even if I can't get it working it'll be "fun" trying to get it working.
But no, I definitely know it won't work on a standard switch but I plan on registering my routers' MAC with the cable "modem" and letting it assign my router an IP via DHCP.
That's the first step, from there I'll need to fiddle with the NAT and routing options to get the computers working.

I'll certainly let you know how I get on.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same setup as maurice and carvell.

I'll add that if you can, avoid linksys as they're absolute shite.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 15 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milo wrote:
On my router, yes.
I work in IT so even if I can't get it working it'll be "fun" trying to get it working.
But no, I definitely know it won't work on a standard switch but I plan on registering my routers' MAC with the cable "modem" and letting it assign my router an IP via DHCP.
That's the first step, from there I'll need to fiddle with the NAT and routing options to get the computers working.

I'll certainly let you know how I get on.

Cool - I'd like to hear!

As I say I had an ADSL router with a built in switch and tried plugging the modem into one of the switch ports, but had no luck.

Let me know!
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 16 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case you're not aware, some of the Linksys routers run under linux, and can be messed with quite a bit. I think there's something like 12 different independant firmware releases for the one I have, giving you the functionality of a £300 router.

Might be worth looking into if you're gonna be fiddling.
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 16 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think it was the WRT54G v1-4 that had that ability, the v5 is redesigned though, only 32meg of ram and it's a standard (I *think* motorola) chip/firmware for the router functionality so no longer flashable Sad
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 16 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on telewest and have been for years, since cable first came out.

Service is pretty good.

There are lots of ethernet cable style routers that you can use, I have an old D Link 604, 4 port going if you offer us a £10. That works a treat, it will clone whatever MAC address you want and then do the routing.

ie when I first got Telewest, they provided the NIC and then I had to copy the MAC address to the router to fool it. Anyway it works fine.

I've now got a wireless Joby.

But Telewest are good, I particularly like their TV service.

Its the bol**xs , the Teleport is ace.

I rarely watch live TV anymore, I just sit down and choose something I want to watch. Recently, i've been watching loads of episodes of spooks, never watched it before.

Only thing I wish, it would record, channels other than BBC ones.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 31 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Switching to Telewest cable package Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Milo wrote:
I should be fine to use my existing Linksys ADSL router simply as a router/switch though

That's what I thought.

Your ADSL needs to have a RJ45 WAN socket for this to work, every single ADSL router I've seen doesn't, it only has a connection designed for a telephone line.

You can't plug the cable modem into the telephone WAN port on your ADSL router. Nor can you plug it into one of the ports on your switch, it won't magically share between all of the PC's also plugged into it.



A router connects two different subnets, i.e WAN to LAN. Each subnet must be on opposite sides of the router, i.e the internet connected to the WAN side and your PCs connected to the LAN side, either directly to the built in swith or through a hub/switch if your router has only one LAN port. If you have an ADSL modem router then the WAN port on your router is actually an ADSL modem which then connects to the built in router, which is why you must connect your telephone line. This is why you cannot connect blueyonder/ntl to an ADSL modem router as you cannot bypass the modem function of it, so the only connection available is for your telephone line. If however you just have a product sold as an 'ADSL router' (note no mention of modem) which you plug an ADSL modem into, then this will be fine to work with telewest as the WAN input into the modem is an ethernet connection, which you simply plug your cable modem into as opposed to your ADSL modem. You cannot plug a cable modem into the LAN side of the a modem router as it will not go through the router section of it. You can think of an ADSLmodem router as three seperate units joined togetherin series:

1. An ADSL MODEM ---> 2. A Router ---> 3. A LAN Switch

What you are trying to do with a cable modem is bypass the modem and go direct to the router function, however there is no real simple way to do this.

If however you are prepared to use internet connection sharing you could plug your cable modem into a computer and then using ICS share the internet connection with other computers connected to the LAN on the router. This however does not use the routing funciton of you router (as your PC is doing all the work) and means you have to have that PC on all the time.

Basicly what I am trying to say is that if you have an ADSL Modem router then IMHO you would be better off buying a new router rather than using ICS. If however you currently have a seperate ADSL modem plugged into your router then you will be fine.

Hope this makes sense/helps
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 31 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
i think you can get all the tv channels for the same price as just the budget ones for the first 3months.

so in those first 3 months it costs no more to have all the tv channels than it does to just have the basic ones. then b4 the 3 months is up you just switch to the basic package for tv


Just remembet to give 30days notice when downgrading a package

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 31 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

And dont forget that your 2 meg will be upgraded to 10 meg for free unless you only ordered 512k..

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Our standard service currently has a speed of up to 1Mb. This will become a super-fast up to 4Mb service, that's 4x faster than the current speed at no extra cost.

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PostPosted: 20:04 - 31 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milo wrote:
carvell wrote:
A standard switch port?

Good luck!


On my router, yes.
I work in IT so even if I can't get it working it'll be "fun" trying to get it working.
But no, I definitely know it won't work on a standard switch but I plan on registering my routers' MAC with the cable "modem" and letting it assign my router an IP via DHCP.
That's the first step, from there I'll need to fiddle with the NAT and routing options to get the computers working.

I'll certainly let you know how I get on.


It wont work, ADSL and DSL routers are different. If you plug your cable modem into one of the lan ports thats it it's on the lan and you will get no nat capability etc. Also ADSL routers have no function for mac cloning.
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